SAVE OUR SONG BIRDS !
Also to all cat owners what you need to know, In the usa, roaming and feral cats kill 1 billion 300 millions birds each year. And they are doing the same damages all over the world. So either keep your cats indoors, they will live longer and will be healthier, or tie them to a long string outside, and they will also be happy ! Cats are killers and if you love wildlife you will understand that we must do all we can to protect our adorable songbirds, reptiles, and mammiferes.聽 When you love your animals you keep them indoors, I would never let my little poodles roam by themselves, because of all the danger they could encounter. Sterilize and nuture your pets, and adopt, but keep our wildlife safe !
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I have no problem with insects being reduced to 25% of their number, at all. The problem is that it's the wrong 25%. Mosquitoes, I would like reduced to 0%. Also flies and wasps.
Also, when people live "in their concrete", concrete is their surroundings.
poodlefan2 wrote:Most of them know nothing about wildlife. They just live in their concrete and are not interested or have no conscience about their surroundings.
Many places, its not that don't want too, its the fact they can not afford to travel to the countryside from innercities.
So if you want song birds, start buying live mealworms instead of spending your money in things you don't need !!! Materialism is killing our planet !!
And yes, some cats are notorious for hunting birds. But many can also be conditioned not to. The idea that one can leave a cat on a string or leash is false. Doesn鈥檛 work! I鈥檝e had cats for years and even conditioned more than one to take walks on a leash. But unlike dogs, cats can get off of EVERY leash by pulling backwards. They have to have a certain level of cooperation to walk them. Left alone. there is no way to effectively restrain them.
metalhead9 wrote:Why are you focused on birds when there are millions of people starving to death?
Where are millions starving? Yes, there are some places, especially war zones where there are problems with people getting enough to eat. But one problem doesn't negative the seriousness of the other. Allowing the environment to be degraded only leads to further hunger. Without insects and birds many foods won't be available since pollination depends on them. Destroying nature will make the earth uninhabitable for mankind.
when it comes to cats, in france like in the usa there are laws ! your cats cannot roam free ! just like dogs they have to be on a leash ! so yes the solution is to tie your cat to a long string just as I have seen hunters do it.. and the cats will get use to it and be perfectly content ! cats are not a domestic species, but an introduced domestic species that was introduced by the grecs. Cats are native of egypte ! so it is an invasive specie and it's decimating our fauna ! google cats and fauna and educate yourself ! countries like new zealand no longer want them on their territory, because they have decimated around 20 species of birds there ! but as cat lovers all you love are your cats, and you just do not care if beautiful animals like birds get to be eaten alive !!!
I would advise you to watch 2 american documentaries named earthlings and unity !
Animals see us as monsters and we are monsters !!!
if all the insects are gone it will be the end of humanity and all the rest !
poodlefan2 wrote:But insects pollinate the food you eat ! without insects we will starve to death !! educate yourself !
if all the insects are gone it will be the end of humanity and all the rest !
Animals pollinate not just insects. In fact, the wind is another way. Maybe you need to educate yourself!!
I watched Earthlings, and I agree with much of what you're saying, including that animals have rights. But there's a critical point that needs to be highlighted. Let me ask you a question, since you believe all life is equal.
With each breath you take, microorganisms enter your body and are immediately attacked by your internal body functions. Are you a monster for killing life? If your body stops attacking and killing these microorganisms, for even a few minutes, you'd likely die. There's a war happening inside your body throughout your entire life. Sometimes your body is on the losing side, and you get a fever. In the few seconds it took you to read this paragraph, your body killed billions of microorganisms. So this killing, is it the same as what Mussolini did?
What is life? Is mitochondria alive? Would you equate stepping on grass to stepping on a child?
The issue boils down to metaphysics, religion and respect. We should respect all life as much as reasonably possible, but let's not forget we live in a murderous dog-eat-dog world. Even the most environmentally-conscious among us is leaving a footprint that is damaging nature and harming the world. But that doesn't mean a person who strives to minimize his footprint is the same as one who intends to hurt the environment. In my belief system, these two are on opposite ends of the spectrum with animals in the middle.
I find peoples' ignorance on human poverty these days very distressing. We people are one people living in one holistic system. We will either survive and prosper together, or we will all be extinguished together.
metalhead9 wrote:....With each breath you take, microorganisms enter your body and are immediately attacked by your internal body functions. Are you a monster for killing life? .....
What is life? Is mitochondria alive? Would you equate stepping on grass to stepping on a child?
....
Even if microorganisms could feel pain, attacking them is permissible:
1) It's self-defence.
2) I'm not consciously making a choice whether to attack or not.
If the grass I step on gives off some clue that its in pain, I will stop walking on it.
poodlefan2 wrote:Sorry but I have 11 bird houses and to make sure that the next generation of song birds make it, yes, I buy live mealworms by the kilo !! I want to see these young bird fly away and not fall on the ground because they suffer from malnutrition ! so yes I rather spend my money doing this than buying stuff !!
when it comes to cats, in france like in the usa there are laws ! your cats cannot roam free ! just like dogs they have to be on a leash ! so yes the solution is to tie your cat to a long string just as I have seen hunters do it.. and the cats will get use to it and be perfectly content ! cats are not a domestic species, but an introduced domestic species that was introduced by the grecs. Cats are native of egypte ! so it is an invasive specie and it's decimating our fauna ! google cats and fauna and educate yourself ! countries like new zealand no longer want them on their territory, because they have decimated around 20 species of birds there ! but as cat lovers all you love are your cats, and you just do not care if beautiful animals like birds get to be eaten alive !!!
Not true. Cats are allowed to roam free in both the USA and France. I've lived both places and had cats. There might be some incidents of local regulation but it鈥檚 not a common thing in either country. What some regulations do is to say that an animal like a cat does in fact regularly kill birds or other animals then it must be limited so it cannot do so. This is very different than blankly forbidding all cats to go outside, even alone.聽
And yes, cats are domesticated. You seem to be terribly confused by the concepts of endemic and domesticated and about the problem of invasive species vs. the situation with people鈥檚 housecats.聽 The typical cats most popular around the world have roots in Egypt but so what? There are native feline species throughout the world including wild cats and lynx in Euro, pumas in the US etc. Lots of animals have been introduced across the world by mankind, so what? If you think animals and plants should only exist where they originally evolved then you are not very bright since species also spread on their own. Nothing against songbirds but saying cats can鈥檛 go outside is just ignorant. Again, the problem is loss of habitat and that people in North Africa for example catch them to eat with nets. This is terrible because the amount of meat one gets from eating a songbird is so minimal in light of the environmental destruction their loss brings.
And again, one CANNOT just tie a cat to a string. Yes, some people take cats out on a leash but this is because they cooperate having been conditioned to. To leave a cat alone on a leash doesn鈥檛 work. Cats can get off every leash. Their heads are small enough compared to their neck, unlike dogs, that they can always pull backwards and escape. To make a leash tight enough around the neck to stop this would strangle them. This is FACT.聽 And sure, bird feeders are a good idea. But birdseed is most common. Mealworms are better given dry than live if at all. The trouble and mess of live mealworms is totally unnecessary.
I will repeat that I support protecting the environment and this includes habitat and animals like songbirds. But using nonsensical arguments for such things is just counter-productive.
poodlefan2 wrote:You are wrong, there are cat leash laws just as for dogs ! Cats are not allowed to roam free, it's just that laws are not applied. Cats must be on strings or on a leash. I don't see why our dogs cannot roam free and your cats can.. they do so much damaged among wildlife it would be no sense if there were no laws for them... people are irresponsible, stubborn and uneducated. and when you love your animals, you keep them with you and in you homes ! I could not imagine leaving my poodles roam free with all the danger there is. if your cat gets run over by a car, or get killed by a coyote or a fox, then you are responsible for his death and to me anyone who live their cats roams, do not love their animals.
I really am not sure what planet you are on! Cats are natural born hunters and should not be tied up. Cats are kept in most countries just because they are good hunters (About 40% of all mammal species are rodents (2,277 species) this is why they are kept not just as cuddly pets, they also don't need to be taken care of much so another reason why they are kept.

I'm glad to see your exclamation count is decreasing. And I'm surprised this thread is still going.
I blame selfish people, hunters, rich people and rabbits, mostly, for what's wrong with the world today. I'd like to share the lyrics of a song that I feel ties all of these themes together. This is No Hoard of Value by metal band Jinjer.
Hey, caveman!
When did you see the sky last time?
How deep is
That treasure you are told to find?
The reflect of what you feel, what you breathe
Is that what you really are?
Caveman!
Hey, caveman, what's your life so far?
Quench your thirst with a spit
Satisfy your hunger with shit
Make a bed full of trash
Do you think you're doing well?
Wash your face in some sweat
Out of shame and disrespect
Day by day wake up in sorrow
And go to work in hell!
Poverty and hunger are everything
That's waiting for you outside
Stay in here! They will take care of you
Relax, you are unlikely to endure
Caveman!
When did you see the sky last time?
How deep is
That treasure you are told to find?
The reflect of what you feel, what you breathe
Is that what you really are?
Caveman!
Hey, caveman, what's your life so far?
Once the dust ate your eyes away
And donated sweetest apathy
But still you sense your brothers' hollow heartbeat
And gruff voices of your family
I can see furrows on this face fouled with fly-ash
There's nothing remained but a tiny piece of coal in your chest
Bygone world was depredated long ago
Now, they are here to plunder your home
But don't mourn!
Shit!
Abandon all hopes about freedom.
No hoard of value can replace it
Abandon all hopes about freedom
No hoard of value can replace it.
Punch a blunt fang of this rusty cavil into stones!
Come on and fracture another course to the better world!
Get down to work!
Dig!
Harder!
Faster!
Deeper!
Harder!
Dig!
Harder!
Faster!
Deeper!
Harder!
Dig!
Harder!
Faster!
Deeper and harder!
Dig!
Harder!
Faster!
Deeper!
Harder!
Dig!
Each person, in trying to find their sustenance, inevitably play some role, big or small, in destroying the world. Aiming for the greener grass, and oblivious that our hearts yearn for what we already had - family, purity, simplicity - we spend more of our time, wealth and energy doing nothing but destroy ourselves and the world. We are cavemen!
Unless you're Sentinelese or a member of some remote Amazon tribe that is.
The prospects of a sustainable future is dwindling. But we never lose hope.
Here is a picture of some flamingos here in Saudi Arabia. They're just beautiful. They fly down here every winter.
Nevermind. Just google it. I can't get the code to work.
You sound like an american.. are you ? where do you live ? and if in the usa, what state ? You sound like an oregon guy.. I love oregon ! the most pristine state in the whole usa.
Reason : Biased
poodlefan2 wrote:You are wrong, there are cat leash laws just as for dogs ! Cats are not allowed to roam free, it's just that laws are not applied. Cats must be on strings or on a leash. I don't see why our dogs cannot roam free and your cats can.. they do so much damaged among wildlife it would be no sense if there were no laws for them... people are irresponsible, stubborn and uneducated. and when you love your animals, you keep them with you and in you homes ! I could not imagine leaving my poodles roam free with all the danger there is. if your cat gets run over by a car, or get killed by a coyote or a fox, then you are responsible for his death and to me anyone who live their cats roams, do not love their animals.
Totally untrue! And the reason there are leash laws for dogs and not for cats is that dogs can bite people, domestic cats never attack people if you leave them alone. And cats are much healthier if they get to go outside; lack of nature is not good for any animals. Yes, some people might live in places where it is simply too dangerous because of busy roads to let their cats out but your basic claims are truly delusional. As a cat owner I have to say you seem to be projecting your own hate of cats onto others. And your posts are truly bigoted against Muslims and men. Of course one can find examples of bad ones but to make the kind of generalizations you do is nonsense.聽 But none of this has to do with immigration or being an expat.
Please note that i am closing this thread.What started off as a fair post on birds (which by the way is not related to expatriation, but somehow we left it on the forum) has now taken quite an ugly turn. Posting generalisation and biased judgements (religion/nationalities) on the forum will not be tolerated whatever the cause of this thread was, the early intervention is not welcome.
All the best on more specialised websites.
Bhavna
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