Your experience of culture shock in Vietnam
Living in a foreign country implies to discover its culture, to learn and master the cultural codes.
How did you deal with that? Share with us your culture shock stories where you experienced a funny or awkward moment in Vietnam.
What is your advice regarding the don聮ts and what would you recommend to avoid any mistake?
Thank you in advance for sharing your stories,
Christine
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Jim Duncalf wrote:Its funny but when I was 35 I moved from the center of the US where people are friendly and helpful to northern California, where no one knew their neighbor, people were curt and customer service was totally non existent.聽 Two years ago I moved to HCM City.聽 Even though I don't speak the language it feels like home to me. Now for a discouraging word... Its good that people put up alters to honor dearly departed grandma and grandpa.聽 But I wish they would treat them better in the last decades of their lives.聽 聽I always feel bad seeing old men and women have to step out into the street because people park their bikes, food stands, signs, sales goods and even construction debris all over the sidewalk. There should be some kind of enforcement to maintain at least 1.5 meter walkway on side walks.聽 A lot of grandmas and grandpas would still be with us if they had not had to step into traffic because the sidewalk was blocked!
The grandmas and grandpas,the old men and old women that you mention
have survived poor education,poor nutrition,a war with the French,a war with the US and it's allies.
So stepping onto a street is a cake walk.
But there are always reminders that you are in a communist country and the proper gander never lets you forget it, although the young people in Vietnam are smarter than the government and arnt fooled by any of it.
That being said , the traffic here is Mad !!! . The city roads are ok, they even have nice cars and good motor cycles , but no one has any idea how to drive,聽 let me give you some hints on how to survive this .
First the obviously,聽
"Crossing the road " just walk , they will go around you, watch the cars, but keep walking and the bikes go around you.聽 NEVER STOP , it only confuses the locals who have a plan to drive around you.
"Red light" Stop !!! "Sometimes . Just because you get the green , dont assume the traffic crossing has stopped 馃槣 more often than not its still moving. People don't often stop for red lights at any time of the day or night, ( seems advisory) .
It's not legal to carry more than 5 in a car or furniture on top, but a bike can carry anything ( and I mean anything ) or anyone.
"One way !!! Depends on the direction they travel at the time.
Ithe whole place is kind of like the U.S. At the turn tof the 20th century when the motor car came along .聽 Laws are developed but yet to be understood or enforced.聽 聽I've seen taxies driving the wrong way up a 3 lane highway, and in most cases the
Lines mean nothing ( they seem to think the Center line is for driving down the middle.聽 聽 聽" My advice " best not look out the window .
The bike culture is amazing though once you get on a bike here you will understand , I have one, it's a blast to ride here , but do yourself a favour , dont ride like the locals if you can help it , and take short trips
It's not a great town for single guys .聽 I was told " Come to Vietnam , a single mans paradise" ,聽 far from it.
Other than internet dating here it's tough almost all girls regardless of age live with there parents till there married, cant bring any girl home for private time in some apartments ( Vietnam law, not just hotels) , so it beats me how people ever get together here, ?聽 聽I see a lot of couples in the parks on Sunday's but if that's it , it must be tough to get to know each other.聽 聽 "What am I missing here" ??
People are having private time, thousands of love hotels.
In today's world of vast information and people you can talk to, this "culture shock" should be a very minor thing. That's if you are serious, willing to do your research and talk to as many people as you can. Forums like this are also very helpful.

Do not be surprised to see 2 people park their bikes and just chit chat in the middle of a road. You have to circumvent them - their conversation is priority.
Since traffic laws do exist but not implemented, road sense is a matter of give and take. In time, one can adapt to it, and massive traffic bottlenecks can eventually be resolved.
My last home was great; in Cau Kho on the outskirts of Q1 and very near Q4 and Q5. Nice neighborhood with extremely friendly locals and a nice mix of Catholics, Buddhists, and Muslims. The Hems always lead to an interesting church, mosque, or unique shop. Owners and neighbors were fantastic and caring, price was right, absolute privacy with 24 hour access. Then came the overnight sale...
The new owners, without warning, started tearing the place apart without giving any notice to the tenants. This caused everyone to scramble and find a new place since the police could do very little. I have never experienced anything like it. Due to the time constraints, I had to move into a building off of busy Nguyen Cu and it has not been pleasurable. There are two tenants who drink 24/7 and causes a lot of problems. The owners do not seem to care and I fear a violent outcome is inevitable.
I'm currently looking for a new home (which is difficult in terms of budget and privacy) but these experiences are not reassuring in terms of staying here. Otherwise, I still love the madness, some of the people here, the markets, the excitement of growth, and the unbelievable food as well as coffee shops. No matter what happens, I'll still return even if it is just for a visit. This is, after all, Vietnam.
i dont agree your opinion. it is not us culture. u was wrong!
somtime u see any one who can make stress or trouble to you but how long did you have been here? how can u understand that people event conclusion the Culture.聽


It gas to do with school education and most importantly parental guidance. I came across a group of students cycling 5 abreast and when a motorcycle honked at them to give way, they actually cursed at the motor cyclist. So, the school system still has not instill some civic lessons yet. What a shame.
Well as mentioned, things are getting better due to the flood of internet and foreign news which shows ither countries and cultures.
lirelou wrote:Jimbream, since you've living in Saigon, most of those old folks you refer to are more likely to be from side we were allied with. And poor allies we were. Which brings up my first cultural shock. In Vietnam there is no such thing as: "Tell it like it is." Blunt speech is considered poor manners in VIetnam. The general rule is: "If it doesn't hurt anyone, then it is not a lie." We have a similar concept in English, the 'little fib'. But in Vietnam the little fib is far more widely used. For instance; you want to buy a motorbike. It's a real piece of trash, but you think you're getting a good deal. You take it to your Vietnamese friend and ask his or her opinion. Their answer is going to depend upon what they think you want to hear. If you present it like you think that this is a really good deal, the majority of them will tell you exactly that, even if they suspect otherwise. After all, to give you contrary personal judgment might insult your own judgment. On he other hand, if you present your case as if you really think you're being taken for a ride, then they're more likely to agree with you, even if they think the motorbike is a good deal.
I heard that most were sent to 'reeducation' facilities and removed of any possessions or land.
Well that's what an old cyclo told me ages ago.
It is usually said by someone with a mouth full of rotten teeth whilst smoking a cigarette and picking their nose.
No wonder my mom in law does not smile.
#1. Do not hug or kiss anyone unless you know in advance it is ok to do so. Hugging and kissing are reserved聽 for married couples so when you first meet your new family , don't go over to your sister-in-law and give her a big hug and kiss.
I grew up in an Italian聽 family where we hug and kiss everyone. Very inappropriate in VN culture.
#2. Food is practically worshiped in VN so they will continue to fill your bowl every time you empty it . When you are full , leave a half bowl of food in your bowl or on your plate . Otherwise , expect some lovely person to fill it again.
#3.When drinking with the men , do not ever try to keep up with them or have a contest with them . They will drink you under the table as a matter of pride . They have a toast that literally translates to DRINK UNTIL YOU DIE . They are not kidding . When you feel you have had enough , leave the table because otherwise they will continue to urge you to drink .
#4. Driving is not anything like in the west . Remember this to stay alive . It all about the Law of Tonnage . So the biggest and heaviest trucks have the right of way . The buses next and then taxis and automobiles . Then comes the scooter drivers and lastly the pedestrians . EXACTLY opposite of the west . If you are walking down an alley and a motor bike or car hits you , it's your fault for not moving over . It's much easier for you to move then for them . The scooters must yield to the cars and trucks . The cars must yield to the big trucks . THIS IS NORMAL IN VIETNAM .
Hope this gives a first timer a few good tips ! I have been there 8 times and thinking of retiring there as we just built a new family house . There are many contradictions is VietNam but after a while you understand why .
A friend of mine ; her father would not leave. He stayed for his wife and children, so being South Vietnamese military / government he spent TEN YEARS in work camp. Yes 10 years.
He did this instead of fleeing. His wife is writer and was just honored by Vietnamese government . published author.
How many men would go to internment camp or risk that for wife and babies ?
Brave and selfless man . the youth of this decade will change things in 15 or 20 years.
Old men make War.... Young men die. Youth will gradually change grow the nation, that said : I pray Vietnam NEVER loses it's soul.
Vietnam is a beautiful chaotic maelstrom of energy and ideas just watch.
I will never leave when I come. God willing.
Good Morning Vietnam ... and blessings !!
V.V.
mspatique wrote:Hello , I have been married to a Vietnamese lady for 8 years now . Here are a few very basic but聽 important things I have learned about Vietnamese culture .
#1. Do not hug or kiss anyone unless you know in advance it is ok to do so. Hugging and kissing are reserved聽 for married couples so when you first meet your new family , don't go over to your sister-in-law and give her a big hug and kiss.
I grew up in an Italian聽 family where we hug and kiss everyone. Very inappropriate in VN culture.
#2. Food is practically worshiped in VN so they will continue to fill your bowl every time you empty it . When you are full , leave a half bowl of food in your bowl or on your plate . Otherwise , expect some lovely person to fill it again.
#3.When drinking with the men , do not ever try to keep up with them or have a contest with them . They will drink you under the table as a matter of pride . They have a toast that literally translates to DRINK UNTIL YOU DIE . They are not kidding . When you feel you have had enough , leave the table because otherwise they will continue to urge you to drink .
#4. Driving is not anything like in the west . Remember this to stay alive . It all about the Law of Tonnage . So the biggest and heaviest trucks have the right of way . The buses next and then taxis and automobiles . Then comes the scooter drivers and lastly the pedestrians . EXACTLY opposite of the west . If you are walking down an alley and a motor bike or car hits you , it's your fault for not moving over . It's much easier for you to move then for them . The scooters must yield to the cars and trucks . The cars must yield to the big trucks . THIS IS NORMAL IN VIETNAM .
Hope this gives a first timer a few good tips ! I have been there 8 times and thinking of retiring there as we just built a new family house . There are many contradictions is VietNam but after a while you understand why .
Overall a sensible post mspatique .
Just a couple of points I disagree with.
#2.聽 For the first few visits,sure.
Then after a while,the women will get to gossiping and then you'll be forgotten.
Help yourself.
Or more often your male relatives will fiil your bowl, because food soaks up booze.
#3.聽 In my experiences,Vietnamese men drink like we did in Uni.
Pour it down as quick as you can and get drunk as quick as you can.
If you've got pace,you can survive the night(but the morning hangover will kill).
#4. ''It is the law of tonnage''.
Excluding the following groups:
- Kids in school uniforms on bicycles riding 3 abreast.
- Mum and dad with the 2 kids on a motorbike.
- Teens on electric bikes.
- That old woman and her food cart trundling down the street against the flow of traffic.
You touch any of those and you are truly stuffed.
In a car or motobike.
And that's something different. So is this.
The image is for entertainment and educational purposes only
If there is someone out there thinking about a trip to Vietnam ... JUST DO IT聽 !!!!!!!!
Like. Agree on the way road works. Hydro semi truck in the United States there's no thrill like driving and acid tanker full of sulfuric and having a Volkswagen Jetta cross three lanes and cut off your Rocky Mountain double that is a unit 140 feet long 130000 pounds while you're jamming the brakes not to kill mama and the kitties the acid in your smooth bore tanker is trying to slam you through the front windshield and separate the trailers.
If you hit the fool who endangered her kids you can be sued until the day you die or even incarcerated.
So... Vietnamese traffic flow makes better sense in some cases I know this from driving flammables explosives and hazardous chemicals.
I also drove motorcycle for many years my first car was a motorcycle 500 C c Yamaha.
In Vietnam I will probably purchase an older Jeep m38 or CJ this is enough for me oh and a moped ... Or Ural .
Cheers ... it is doubtful I will be in any drinking contest as I had my lower intestines cut apart and sewed back together to survive cancer.
The food sounds wonderful!!!
V.V.
I plan to invest there. I was a stock market trader here.. lost enough to be a major blow. Now waiting for the next market fall so I can go back in and recover some funds.
what do I really need to do when I arrive in the Airport there? Look first for someone who could direct me to a low priced overnight stay?
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I survive cancer but it took everything then I had to have my left leg repaired as my knee was ruined between heavy construction and trucking.
Now at 55 I come to Vietnam to meet someone I've written for 2 years she's a very wonderful woman yes I'm a little scared but I would give those two teenage children and this lady my love and care.
I cannot really invest I come to invest in living a somewhat humble but better life.
Yes ... I too am tired of the race of consumerism in the West and in some respects Western society is very shallow.
I hope that there is still respect for elders and deep love of children in Vietnam because this is truly the treasure I seek.
Am willing to travel and stake聽 my future upon that.
Good Morning Vietnam ...
Humble people hard working great deep hearts.
Hope to find for best Life.
V.V.
Still here. Ohh Yeahhhh ~
V.V.
Show them what a heart we have. Americans are good people just the system has it's shortcomings , as all nations do.
I think Vietnam and Thailand are both fine but humanly ... on personal level feel deeper kinship to Vietnam.
Just me. V.V.
Yo ~~
I am selecting luggage. Oh God decisions. Wow.
Instead of suitcases I want waterproof duffels.
Yes. Just heard from one of cubs it flooded.
Ouch. Ouch.
So waterproof is good. Yes. Delsey was my prior聽 choice and Victoronix.聽 But must be able to " lash " luggage together. Yes. Lash it atop one another with straps for airport. Fast transfers.
Bro ... I am nervous about right decisions.
One thing for certain; the USA and Europe are heading for a " No Prime " Bond situation, and there are no more silver bullets.
Asia sounds good. I love Sea, and would cherish the wildlife in the Highlands. Birds galore.
Beautiful. Yes.
Home is a place , of the Heart. Scary but cool !!
Cheers : V.V.
Right you are. Fallow Dream : Cheers : V.V.
Thank You: Chris ... V.V.
I am trying to get to Vietnam and I have to go before I lose the children I want to make my own and a woman I've chosen to give my heart to big decisions because I could lose my income leaving early the US is what I'm told but there's nothing here to stay here for.
V.V.
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