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South coast, east coast and on rare occasions the west coast of the mainland gets a huracane, California and many other places have earthquakes, Nevada has them too and who knows how many underground missiles leaking radioactive material, the midwest has the tornadoes, the north east has its Noreastern storms. Nowhere you go is perfect or safe. And if Kim decides to nuke the US, you can lay in you hammock in PR drinking your margarita and await for the wind to bring the radioactive cloud

So, it might be back to square 1, but we feel that PR is our second home and there is no where else I want to be.聽 The hurricane is a game changer in that we will be very careful about the structure and location.
As for now we are supporting hurricane relief with donations to rebuild and aid the people. In addition, have been leaving supplies at drop off centers here in NYC.
I encourage anyone reading this to make a donation to any reputable organization. Puerto Rico needs us all to come together for support in this time of desperate need. Pa'lante Puerto Rico!馃嚨馃嚪
I am searching for hope. As of today, my plans remain, to go to Puerto Rico in December to look for聽 property, but... not another Katrina!
We had planned to return to the island in a few weeks, now we need to wait and learn more about conditions - do we have a house anymore?聽 If so, is it livable?聽 or a tear down and start over?
seoulguy wrote:USN should have been deployed, but that's a 45 call.
DoD has been on the job from the start.
The article referenced in that post was informative and it gave me hope, thus I thought it was good to share with others. I am glad that you read it. Now, you might differ with it, (and that's ok), but it's not helpful to personally attack.Psych2 wrote:Hey, hey, HEY, I started the post regarding rebuilding! And trust me, I am getting up there in age
The article referenced in that post was informative and it gave me hope, thus I thought it was good to share with others. I am glad that you read it. Now, you might differ with it, (and that's ok), but it's not helpful to personally attack.
We here in New York are trying to remain hopeful. I can't imagine PR becoming a wasteland or another Hawaii.聽 As a Puerto Rican who grew up spending time on the island it is very personal for me to want to see Puerto Rico pull through this. I am committed while here in the states to do what I can within my means to help make a difference.
If you check you will see a lot of the messages are no longer there. Lets stick to what this board is about, those other comments belong in Facebook, not here.
Closing this thread temporarily for review.
It will soon be re opened.
Thanks for your patience,
Bhavna
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As to recovery, it is going to take a while to rebuild. Turist areas will be up and running in 6 months tops.
Fema will help some but there are some problems in the way.
1) those that do not have tittle to their homes (squaters) to my knowledge are not elegible for reconstruction funds
2) To my knowledge those that are eligible will need to construct based on codes, not sure that a wooden house would meet codes in PR.
3) A lot of wooden houses in PR are put together by the owner and friends, not build professionally. As such at the next huracane they could be wiped again.
It is going to take 3 or more years in my opinion before everyone has a roof again over their head.
One positive..... Electric service is likely to end up better than befire and will be more reliable.
1) Most likely I suspect that many who have lost their homes and who receive federal funds will use this as an opportunity to leave the island.聽 Why spend the funds to rebuild a home in a place that offers you so little?聽 Before you object, bear in mind that most contributors to this forum advise against moving to the island if you expect to find work there.聽 Why would you think that a resident with cash in hand and a destroyed and devalued property would wish to remain?
2)聽 Modest investment in PR infrastructure.聽 Significant improvement聽 (all new materials) for electric grid in Greater San Juan, but patches (that is splices) elsewhere.聽 Splicing the lines will be the fastest way to restore power, even if it is unreliable.聽 Modest investment in roads, bridges, communications and internet infrastructure.聽 Expect to see this infrastructure restored but not improved聽 The idea that the hurricane will solve all of the island's infrastructure problems is unrealistic.聽 The money and the political will to do this are simply not there.聽 The focus is on relief, not reconstruction to the point of making it all new and better.
3) It is possible that the hurricane will expedite the economic recovery by accelerating the economic collapse.聽 Outside investors in Puerto Rico are waiting for the bottom, and Maria may have brought about that point even faster.聽 Moreover, the exodus of residents should alleviate the unemployment problem -- fewer workers mean higher wages.聽 Lastly, the destruction to the grid may bring about the privatization of PREPA even faster, though perhaps not at a price that the government would desire.聽 聽Such a privatization, would mean a utility under significant public regulation, but with incentives for efficiency not found in a publicly-owned utility.
I expect real estate values, already at their lowest point in ten years, to drop even further in the near future.聽 Foreclosures will spike as emigration accelerates.聽 However, this will produce a spike in outside investment in the island.聽 It may be that the economy returns to positive growth in as few as seven years.
I'm looking to cut down expenses in the last years, housing being a main thorn in my saddle. You can troll the forums of Colombia or Mexico. Both countries offer temp or perm resident visas if one can meet reasonable financial criteria (easier in CO). The joke is that one of the main reasons for retirement in either country is low COL and that's just not the case now because so many expats have driven up costs in places like Cabo, Playa del Carmen, Pto Vallarta. I remember when DF was accessible to the somewhat financially challenged, no more, though.
So, replacing a tin roof on wood with a tin roof on wood (I remember seeing some of these, even in Santurce, years ago) seems foolish. Owners who have long since left the island and their property in the hands of dubious realtors, well, those buildings are unsold and just look at them on Clasificados. Better to knock them down if Maria hasn't already and start from scratch.聽 WarnerW suggests even lower values.聽 So, wondering if there will even be a rental market (long-term, not tourist) in six to eight months, or if, indeed, property values will begin a steep descent.
When Irma came to Florida, some from PR living in Florida were nervous because they were used to having a concrete house in PR and the homes they rented in Florida were wood.
I am positive that Tourist areas in San Juan will be operational by Dec, because the industry and the government want the money it brings.
Have a friend who needs to return to states for medical reasons- can鈥檛 get a flight still!
This is going to be a slow recovery.聽 I hope my contractor doesn鈥檛 leave the island, will have rebuilding to do soon.
Sitka wrote:I hope my contractor doesn鈥檛 leave the island, will have rebuilding to do soon.
Probably the least-likely person to leave the island.聽 There's too much money to be made in construction, both in the near term and into the distant future.聽 Salvageable structures will need repair, and I think Seoulguy is right, and the heavily-damaged wooden structures will be demolished and replaced once real estate investment dollars start flowing.聽 Seems like a good outlook for the construction sector.
I really don't know how much more real estate prices can continue to fall.聽 They have been declining for the last ten years, so there can't be too much room left for them to drop.聽 Nevertheless, I do expect foreclosures to spike, and basic economic theory suggests that as the supply of properties increases, prices will fall until demand picks up.聽 In the interest of full disclosure, I'm still trying to buy property.聽 I would say that Maria put things on hold, but that would imply that there had been some progress.聽 My current offer, a cash offer made to a bank for a foreclosed property, has been active for a year now.聽 Oh well.聽 I'm not looking to get the best possible deal -- and who knows, maybe the prospect of additional foreclosures might motivate the bank to respond to my offer.
I think Rey is right that once the heavily-populated centers have utilities restored, the government's focus will likely be on getting tourism back on line.聽 I too think that it will take at least a year for that sector to bounce back.聽 My bigger concern is the devastation to the agriculture sector.聽 The NYT reports the loss of 80% of the value of the crops -- that hurts twice.聽 Farmers lose the revenue and the island loses the food.聽 We may find many more farms in foreclosure soon, as the crop loss winds up being greater than the loss in damaged buildings.
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