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Hi and welcome to the Forum.

The question they ask is "Will you be travelling with or visiting either your partner or a family member in the UK?".聽 If the answer is yes and your wife and her daughter have German issued Article 10 residence cards (it's written on the card), then they don't need a visa to visit the UK with you.聽 If they travel alone (i.e. to see the sites), then they need a visa.

So, in the circumstances you describe, they don't need a visa, you could all jump on a plane this morning.

Hope this helps.

Cynic
Expat Team

This is not a question pertaining Germany.
I recommend you either post this on the relevant country forums (UK and/or Russia) or, even better, ask the authorities in charge.

鈥淩esidence card of a family member of an EU citizen鈥� is on my wife鈥檚 card (nothing about article 10) but only 鈥淩esidence permit鈥� on her daughter鈥檚 card so I assume that she will need one and my wife will need to provide proof that she is the mother. Our marriage certificate will probably also be required.

They can travel all over the EU but as usual it鈥檚 the UK causing the problems ;-)

Thank you very much for your answer!

Oh but it is, albeit indirectly. Technically all EU countries have the same rules but that isn鈥檛 actually the case. For example, my wife and I wouldn鈥檛 have been able to marry in Germany but could in Denmark. I鈥檝e also read that there is a difference between the residence permits issued in France and Germany: France鈥檚 are standard EU issue, Germany鈥檚 are Germany-specific permits.

And as I wrote, the various authorities have sent me around in circles. The British consulate just has an a message sending you to their site and doesn鈥檛 answer visa inquiries either by email or telephone. The visa site says that we do and we don鈥檛 need visas. The official authorities were naturally the first people I asked.

neilo23 wrote:

Oh but it is, albeit indirectly. Technically all EU countries have the same rules but that isn鈥檛 actually the case. For example, my wife and I wouldn鈥檛 have been able to marry in Germany but could in Denmark. I鈥檝e also read that there is a difference between the residence permits issued in France and Germany: France鈥檚 are standard EU issue, Germany鈥檚 are Germany-specific permits.
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Marrying in Denmark is said to be easier but on what basis can 2 people marry there but not in Germany?

Also, what do you mean by "standard EU issue" and "Germany specific". EU residents have the right to travel but not live and work in the other EU countries. France does not and cannot issue a residency permit valid for other countries. And Germany's residency permits have been standardized and give comparable rights as all other EU ones. French residency does not give additional rights in other EU countries than German ones. If the UK wants to make certain exceptions for Russians living in different countries then this has to do with UK law and not German.

The Standesamt in my town wouldn鈥檛 have allowed us to marry as I don鈥檛 earn enough for their rules. Or my wife wouldn鈥檛 have been able to live here with me for the same reason. I can鈥檛 remember now exactly. However if a couple married legally abroad the non-EU person can live here. A German friend of mine had to work 200 hours a month in order to earn nough to satisfy the Rathaus when he married a Russian but I didn鈥檛 have to do this because I married abroad and I鈥檓 not German. Crazy but true.

As for the French / German residence card that was something I read online and wanted to find out if it really is so as you can鈥檛 believe everything you read on the internet.

I think you confuse several issues here.
Fist, there is no EU residence permit, only national ones.
Second, anyone can marry anywhere - in principle, but the buerocratic hurdles may differ (and are specifically high in Germany and lower in Denmark, that is well known!).
And, regarding your original question, since UK isn't part of Schengen (and soon the EU), whether and how your non-EU wife can visit the UK is off-topic on the Germany forum. If your country's authorities do not give appropriate answers (which is unfortunate and can equally well happen with German authorities), you could ask this on your country forum. That your wife has a German residence permit most probably has no influence on the matter anyway.
Good luck!

My last post crossed with yours just above it
Marrying a foreigner here is a topic for the Germany forum, but what you wrote is patently wrong:
You again confused two separate issues, the right to marry, which you had, and the right for your wife to live with you here, which is tied to some financial and other requirements (specifially, about EUR9000/year per family member, sufficient living space and health insurance), in order to prevent her from becoming destitute here and depending on government handouts. This applies to all foreigners who want a family reunion visa for a non-EU partner (requirements for German citizens' non-EU spouses are different). If you managed to get around this, count yourself lucky that buerocratic errors also sometimes go in your favour, but correct it is not!

To correct my above post I should have said Schengen countries rather than EU countries since of course the UK and Ireland opted out of Schengen. Otherwise, it all adds up to the same thing; no Schengen member country can issue a residency permit for other countries. Thus a residency permit from France has no advanatges over one from Germany.