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fidobsa wrote:

.....This includes ones from my own garden, which I generally just leave to rot. If I had been better organised I would have brought some apple trees from UK, including cox and bramley.

I have grapevines in my garden and the grapes on the vines are terrible.  Mrs Fluffy and I decided to chuck in the towel and keep the one and only decent looking plant left.  It's because it's got quite interesting red toned leaves for some reason.

I brought some tomato seeds several times from the UK and they grow really badly here.  I tried them in the ground and in pots. Absolutely awful.  Yet the MIL's toms do really well.

I also would like some decent apple trees but I think the climate is against them surviving - too hot and then too cold.  That said, I wouldn't mind some Braeburn or just plain old Granny Smiths.

anonymous wrote:

Hungarian bakery items

I know I am myself a notorious offtopicer. But let's not go 180 degrees in the other direction.  That is, this topic not about Hungarian made goods nor their quality (interesting points, but please then start another topic), but about "inferior" food and products being shipped to Central Europe, including Hungary, from other EU countries while those other EU countries are getting "better" products.

So, for anyone maybe too busy to read the entire article to fully inform themselves before feeling the need to post a comment, some cherry picked snips:

"The countries of Eastern and Central Europe have long bridled at being treated like the poor cousins of the European Union family."

"But now that sense of resentment — of being treated as second-class citizens by more prosperous neighbors — is reaching even into the region’s refrigerators and cupboards. "

"Last month, the leaders of Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic went so far as to ask the European Commission to investigate the complaint, which has been backed up in recent years by several studies, though not exhaustive ones."

"While rumors that inferior food is shipped to the East have swirled for years, only in 2011 did the Slovak Association of Consumers conduct a comparison of a basket of products purchased in Austria with the same products bought in Slovakia.

In all but one case, the products in the East were inferior, the group concluded."

Hope this helps direct future considerations for comments. Consider it a bit of "citizen science", to confirm or refute the "not exhaustive" studies mentioned in the article.