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unleashedsoul99 wrote:

- can i spend 12 months per year in colombia with my two passports (after six months i leave the country and re enter with the second passports)?

Dear Soul 99,

Welcome to the Colombia forum

180 days in Colombia is the maximum in a calendar year if you do not have residency or a visa such as a TP-7 one-year visa.聽 Having two passports does not inoculate you against that rule.

You would be in violation a.k.a. "overstaying" and due for a stiff fine and restrictions on returning to Colombia .. if you were caught doing an overstay.

cccmedia in Medell铆n

unleashedsoul99 wrote:

My questions are:
- can i spend 12 months per year in colombia with my two passports (after six months i leave the country and re enter with the second passports).
- and聽 is this legal?
:-)

I don't see where you get that the OP's question is not country specific, given that Colombia is explicitly mentioned in the OP's questions above.

You might not call Colombia - don't you think it would be prudent to ask them?聽 Why would you be afraid to ask them - because you know what you are proposing is not really above-board?聽 Trying to play games with two passports to try to get around a visa time limit could get you into trouble.聽 And of course the visa applies to the person!聽 How could it not?聽 The intent of a visa, if it is for 6 months or whatever period, is to ensure that the person it is issued to obeys the time limits.聽 The passport is just evidence the visa was issued.

The Canciller铆a link I provided makes clear they are talking about persons and not multiple passports a person may have.

akabo wrote:

If he calls Colombia embassy in his country and ask if he can use either passport to enter Colombia the answer will be "Yes". That is all that matters. The intent is irrelevant.

That's not all that matters, since it doesn't prove whether holders of multiple foreign passports can evade Colombia's 180-day rule or its tax-resident-status rule through loophole overstays.

As is becoming evident on this thread, a consensus on this forum is developing that attempting to do so is ethically inappropriate and a path to potential legal jeopardy.

Do the right thing.

cccmedia in Medell铆n

akabo wrote:

There is no need to be fronting here, sitting on a high horse about doing the right thing.,,,

I am done beating this horse.

The bold assertions that one can legally avoid Colombia tax obligation by hiding behind multiple passports .. don't pass the smell test.

In the digital age, it would be naive to think that a national government could not discern that a tax avoider/evader is attempting to hide tax liability behind multiple passports.

That's why he's stopped horsing around.

cccmedia in Medell铆n

akabo wrote:

There is no need to be fronting here, sitting on a high horse about doing the right thing. The issue here is simple. Can someone visit Colombia twice using two different passports? The answer is yes. Does he owe Colombia taxes even though he spent more than 183 days in Colombia? The answer is no. Is it unethical to do so? The answer is subjective. Is it legal? Definitely legal.

OK. I am done beating this horse. OP, once again thank you for bringing that up.

You simply don't know what you're talking about past your first statement, that someone can visit Colombia using two different passports.聽 聽As for the rest - that you want to hide from Colombia that you are doing so, and try to stay more than whatever visa length is authorized by using that strategy, shows your intent to break the rules and that you have knowledge that you're doing so.

You didn't even read the link, or if you did you did not understand it, where DIAN clearly states what constitutes being a tax resident.聽 It makes no difference if you are a tourist or not - 183+ days in any 365 day period makes you a tax resident in DIAN's eyes.

akabo wrote:

In this case, it's a tax avoidance not evasion. You have not earned any income while in Colombia, you don't owe Colombia any money, you are just a tourist, why should you volunteer to pay tax, especially if there is a legal alternative?

All my working life, I've been in the 30%+ tax bracket, I will do my best to avoid paying unnecessary taxes.

A tourist visiting for 180 days or fewer is not obligated to pay income tax on non-Colombia income.

For those staying in Colombia most of the year, calling the multiple-passports loophole (to avoid time in country and tax residency) legal tax avoidance .. is an opinion, not necessarily in line with what Colombia's tax agency would determine.

Re the contention that if "you have not earned any income while in Colombia, you don't owe Colombia any money," that may not be accurate if you are in country 183 days out of 365.聽 At 183 days, you are not in tourist status any more, you are a tax resident potentially liable for taxes on foreign income.聽

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If you pay taxes to the IRS (USA), that payment is normally deductible from Colombia tax obligations.

So if you're still paying 30 percent to the IRS, you may be legally able to avoid taxes as a Colombia tax resident.

cccmedia in Medell铆n

dumluk wrote:

No need to comment on the ethicality of trying to use two different passports, but it still begs the question.........does the Colombia Migracion fingerprint you when you enter the country like they do here in Panama?

No.

Floridaray wrote:

no worries...besides the yearly pain of getting my income letter apostillized.

For Ray and others who'd prefer not to deal with apostilling or obtaining proof of income each year, there apparently is relief.

The pension and investor visas are issued for a term of three years now, according to the Medellin Living site's analysis of the new "M" class visas authorized since August (2017).聽 The M's replace the old "TP" or temporary visas, according to the article.

That means the apostille or proof of income or investment is no longer an annual deal.聽

The analysis currently appears on the welcome page at under a "Colombia Visa" heading.

cccmedia from Departamento de Nari帽o