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Heart Collector wrote:

it is so amazing that people have started discussing personal life on net with strangers, it seems they don`t have family / friends in real life ,No offense

There is a specific kind of people who go to places like Thailand, Morocco or eastern Europe to find a wife. One must question why they are not good enough for women in their own communities.

IntiAlDiamond wrote:

You'd be better off marrying a Pakistani lady.

IntiAlDiamond wrote:

There is a specific kind of people who go to places like Thailand, Morocco or eastern Europe to find a wife. One must question why they are not good enough for women in their own communities.

IntiAlDiamond - Lol. I remember you from a few years ago. You are British-Russian. You married a Tunisian woman.

What does anyone gain by questioning you on why you married a Tunisian? What do we benefit from your answer? Or from why Abizaman has opted to look abroad? Knowing you briefly, you may have done it for other purposes than genuine marriage, but the point is, you married a Tunisian. You went to Tunisia. But who cares about the reasons why you did that or whether you are not 'good enough' for women in your own community. Perhaps the women in your community are not 'good enough' for you. None of this matters and it is of no benefit to anyone lol.

abizaman wrote:

Hi everyone just thought I would add on here out of interest. I鈥檓 a single British guy started chatting to a beautiful Moroccan lady recently. I will probably go to Morocco and meet her and her family.

They will discuss marriage and I will say no obviously as it鈥檚 way too soon. But I鈥檇 like to take things further and develop something and if all goes well maybe marriage. That鈥檚 the dream right ? But in England I would expect to live together with somebody for a while before marriage. How does it work in Morocco? I would love for her to get a standard tourist visa and come stay with me for a few months and then we see. I absolutely won鈥檛 do a Moroccan marriage as it鈥檚 legally binding.

Question is..is there a middle ground ? Like a non binding engagement in Morocco? Are tourist visas to uk easy for Moroccans?
Thanks

Hi. Just seen your message and not sure if you have done your papers or not.

I鈥檓 british and also Married in Morocco. Ignore all the negativity from other and follow your heart and brain.

Culture is different but also little similar to Pakistan and India. Not exactly but have some similarities.

Moroccan speaks Darijaa and also some Fus-Ha Arabic and French. Not all speak all three. But mainly Moroccan Arabic. So Darijaa might be better option for you.

As far as the devoice certificate goes. As it was not a official civil marriage and depending on when your did the Nikkah will determine if you require it.

Anything prior to 2004 ( I think) Islamic wedding Nikkah was not recognised in the U.K.聽 therefore you do not need to disclose you were married in morocco and no devoice certificate is required.

After this date some masjid were recognised and some were not. If your unsure you can check with the registers in the U.K.聽

However from your comments I believe you were not registered as married. Therefore you do not need to disclose this when getting married in Morocco as it will only confuse the process.

You will require a police record from place of residence
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Passport entry page and photo page copies.
Passport verified which will be done in morocco at the british embassy and they will also give you a second document.

Letter from your employer with salary mentioned.
Medical certificate given by dr in morocco
Police record in morocco can easily obtain this in morocco.

All Documents should be in Arabic.

Your questions.

is there a middle ground ?
Depends on what you mean by this? You can鈥檛 get half married. Laws are simple for any Islamic country and most Muslim family are strict on these rules which is fair I guess.

Like a non binding engagement in Morocco?
Moroccans always do Engagement which as non-binding but does not mean you can do anything with each other. She technically can鈥檛 stay with you especially alone. You can go out on a date but booking a room with each other would be illegal. And going out with each other would be down to the family view on that. Travelling overseas or locally again would be up to the family but technically not allowed as your both not married.

Are tourist visas to uk easy for Moroccans?

Visa for the U.K. are very difficult for Moroccan and factors of a lot of rules and info.

Such as if she working have traveled before. Can show evidence that she will return to Morocco etc etc etc.

IntiAlDiamond wrote:

The dynamics and circumstances are different.

I may have come across as being judgmental or prejudiced but having spoken to many Moroccan women who have accompanied men of Pakistani extraction and heard some of their ambitions, I assure you that I'm only trying to prevent this man from having his horns broken off, so to speak...

Yes, I understand what you're saying. I didn't necessarily disagree with your comment, but felt it was a little unfair. Based on my experience, there are people who after failed relationship(s) with women from their own community, decided to look outside of it and/or abroad for a change. Or had accounts on Muslim matrimonial websites or wherever and they received a message or interest from someone living abroad. And it developed from there. Rather than look abroad as their first option or be the first to initiate contact. And yes, I get your point.

NotBrandonSaad wrote:

Vakil made the exact points I would have mentioned. Also, there is a thread by a user named Jess which has all the requirements about a British citizen marrying a Moroccan national. The only difference is Jess told that story from a foreign female's perspective, where as you, abizaman are a man.

The only difference would be to make or get a certificate of marital status and religious denomination proving you are Muslim. Even if you have never been married, you need to have a certified document proving you are single. This document contains your name, address, passport and ID information and your potential wife's name, address, passport and ID information. The more information you provide about yourself and your potential wife, the better it it as your Embassy and the Moroccan Embassy can find you in their system or enter you in their system. You can find examples of Marital Status Declarations and Religious Denomination Declarations online. The latter simply states your religion, but again add other personal information such as passport and ID information and your address. Most importantly, you must include the names of your parents as it is written on your birth certificate. Both of these documents are signed by you and certified as originals.

I was in a similar situation as you, abizaman, however my relationship has been well over a year since I first met my future wife. I travelled to Morocco and met her in real life earlier in the year and became engaged with the permission of her parents. As Vakil said, our engagement doesn't change what we can and cannot do. I cannot stay with her in a hotel until I have proof of my marriage. Reputable hotels will reject you without this document. And depending on what her parents allow, you cannot even be with her alone in the same room. According to Shariah, until you have made you Nikkah, her protector or guardian remains with her father (or uncle/brother/local imam).

Also, even after Nikkah (marriage contract), there is cultural norm in Morocco whereby you cannot sleep together (sexual relations) until she comes to your home in your place of residence. So, for instance, if you permanently reside in the UK, she must come to the UK on a visitor visa or sponsorship. Moving to Morocco may be a solution for you, but not ideal if you don't know French, Arabic or have a guaranteed job.

Visitor visa are hard to get right now due to the pandemic. Processing times ran range from 6-months to 12-months. It might be even better to applying for sponsorship and applying for visitor visa at the same time. For example, in Canada, the processing times for sponsorship is an average time of 12-months. For visitor visa, the processing times is over 8-months.

Your comment mentions a lot of good points. However there is the part where you say 鈥� Even if you have never been married, you need to have a certified document proving you are single.鈥� this has now changed. When you go to the british embassy in rabat or Marrakech to verify your passport they will also give you a attestation which you fill out and declare your single. Again if you did not have a civil marriage you can leave out the section about being married or devoiced. You only fill this section if you had a legal civil marriage in the U.K. that was recognised by the gov at that time. Once signed and compacted the consulate will then sign and stamp after which you then take both documents to the ministry in rabat for them to also legalise. As this is recognised by the Minstry in rabat this document does not need to be translated to Arabic.

In regards to having Nikkah and not sleeping with your wife until they move home with you. Once Nikkah is done you can book a hotel no need to take her to england or overseas as you legally can rent or book hotels together. Most family鈥檚 in Morocco these days are not strict in that way as your now officer married

abizaman wrote:

Thank you for your comments. It鈥檚 certainly a lengthy process. Certainly it鈥檚 good advice to follow ones heart and brain..what other part is there left to follow. We talk regularly and discuss our future but first obviously we have to meet. After being rejected by 70% of hotels due to no marriage certificate I finally got a place and airport will open up next week. So I鈥檒l inshalla be in Morocco next week and then if all goes well will devote time to lengthy paperwork later in the year.

Happy to hear this. Insha鈥橝llah all goes well for you. Of course without Marraige hotels will not let you book one room for the two of you. Sometimes you can find rentals and apartments but again they might ask for marriage certificate if you disclose your not married.

Either way take your time and see how things progress when you meet and if it鈥檚 ment to be the process will be simple. It鈥檚 not as lengthy as one things just a pain to keep going to different departments for different documents. Either way it鈥檚 worth it in the end if your both truly happy and care and love each other.

hanafisafaa170 wrote:

I hope you are not marrying your cousin back home and you are coming here for sexual marriage attracting ...that's what all pakistani do , hide the pakistani wife that their parents chose and go around the countries looking for another adventure ...pathetic way to show an Muslim example .if you are not good luck and good life .and those who commented comparing moroccan woman's to Thailand women's lol you don't know shit .

Views and comments should be kept clean and respectful. People
Use the site to get advise and see other people
Experiences.

I understand your frustration and this message is directed to everyone not just yourself.

We should not judge other when we do not no them but inly give polite advise.

I agree with you final statement that Moroccan women are not like Thailand women and people should not judge the women in Morocco when they don鈥檛 no the facts. Every country has the same issues and every country has good and bad people
Men鈥檚 and women.

Guys please
Stick to
Nice comments and refrain for making judgmental
Comments without knowing facts

hanafisafaa170 wrote:

I hope you are not marrying your cousin back home and you are coming here for sexual marriage attracting ...that's what all pakistani do , hide the pakistani wife that their parents chose and go around the countries looking for another adventure ...pathetic way to show an Muslim example .if you are not good luck and good life .and those who commented comparing moroccan woman's to Thailand women's lol you don't know shit .

Thank you for your comment which really brightened up my day and made me laugh out loud.
Firstly please don鈥檛 single out Pakistani guys. Men from all walks of life, if they don鈥檛 have good intentions will try to find a way to seek out sexual advantages for themselves. And women will do that too, not just Moroccan women.

But behind your acerbic comments there is some truth to people taking advantage of each other especially when there is an economic and age related imbalance and things can be kept hidden due to taking place in another country.聽 I assure you people who are devious and manipulative tend not to be posting their intentions or seeking advice on online chat forums. They tend to me more clandestine. And if you read my comments my intention is to get married if all goes well and bring her to live with me in uk. Why else would I be discussing the marriage process?

The Moroccan lady and I are very open. Video calling each other everyday sometimes for hours talking to each other鈥檚 parents making clear our intentions and expectations. Calling each other at work, having full access to each other鈥檚 social media etc. We are as open as can be in the modern age without succumbing to suspicion and cynicism. Threats to honest relationships come from anywhere and people have to be alert聽 聽

But I think your post was well intentioned.聽 Thank you.

@Aiden Ash

He is not stupid

@abizaman

Don't do it. Save yourself the heartache and misery sir. They get you to marry them and treat you like a king. Her family plays along. After a few years or after the property is aquired a problem arises and she gets half or most of it. Then she will move on with her original Moroccan man she had hidden in the background.聽 Believe me there is one somewhere watching the whole scheme play out. You have been warned.

@katebeebee50

Atleast someone is aware and sharing the experience! Let's call it a bitter truth