Sad valentine story: dating a Chinese girl as foreigner
I could need some help, especialy from a chinese girl.
I used to date a chinese girl for 3 years. She is from Shenzhen and im from Europe. I visited her in december and we had a great time and all was well and a week after i got back home she told me that she did not love me anymore and wanted to break up. She loved being with me but not forever she said. I dont think that love would be the real reason of the break up but the fact that her parents would never allow her to marry an alien. And she knew i was planning to ask her, she also never wanted to leave Shenzhen and i kinda told her a few times that i would prefere Europe (because i have a great job here)....
I kinda really want her back so i started learning Chinese like crazy and looking for a job in Shenzhen to show her I can confince her parents that im serieus and that i want to stay in china. My ex is a really stubborn girl and she can be very hard to read (i could only 100% read her mind when i saw her face) and she is giving mixed signals.
I would really appriciate some help from an asian girl specialist and if someone would offer a job near Shenzhen you can always let me know....
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If you're serious about her, learning Chines was a good step, but far from enough. 3 years is a long time. Have you met her parents before? Have you tried to openly discuss your intention and their thoughts and concerns about it? Talk to your girlfriend openly and try to figure out her thoughts (if the girl is smart enough - you will never ever be able to 100% read her mind
, thus do not fool yourself). At the same time do not expect her to give you a complete road-map
.Asking of such advice here - is waste of time as the least. You are already making a mistake by looking for "Asian girl expert"! (there are a cultural differences - yes, there are a certain ways of thinking - yes, but most people are the same no matter which country we're from). You're trying to generalize your relations with her? A mistake (in this case you should forget her and follow Bella_Shu's advice (which is absurd anyway)).
If you really love her - stock yourself up with more patience and follow your heart (not brain
). Personal relations are very sensitive and usually very unique and fragile matter, where even smallest thing might matter most. Asking people on the forum for a help with it - is like: "I made my own herbal-tea, using following ingredients. Can someone tell me if would taste good?". Sure I can tell (without knowing all tiny details, proportions etc.)...
Bella_Shu: sorry but your advice would be in my "Top 100 most ridiculous advices". Although based on the language you're using - you would be even banned from that "Top 100". And Aromaza would follow the lead.
Love and marriage aren't related here and will never be connected- so no matter how much you love her, she's not going to go back to you.
The Chineses' values are probably different than your values too, so unless you understand their values and she understands yours, it will be a bit tough. I don't believe love should be only about you giving away your values. You should both be on the same ship, understand, and both be doing their efforts, sacrifices and chosing the best for both. Dreaming is good, but make sure these dreams can be realized. Also you probably know there's several issues including nationality. Chinese can never be separated from China. They will return often with their family and they don't have dual citizenship, so it's very hard for them to move out without refusing their nationality (Besides that if they are in a single child policy situation, they will probably be considering taking care of their parents)
In any case, one stupid think i learned is that the more you make it easier to your gf, or the more helpful you are, the eisier is to leave you, and the harder it is for you in the future. Don't make them depend on you when they can depend on themselves. Some one off nice gestures is ok but don't make it a habit.
Gifts are important too, but I make it a point with the statement above. Don't make them get used to them.
Also there are other issue, such as population proportion. Females are slightly possesive, because it's harder for a man to find a female in China than other places probably. It affects how they see relationships, as female being harder to get in China so they are expecting more. Although this is a bit old minded, there's still traces of it around.
Reading you post though makes me feel I'm not the only one in a crazy relationship like this, and yes I made most of the mistakes above (my opinion that they are mistakes), I'm just trying to remedy about them slowly hoping for the best. In your case, speak to her, don't look desperate, and value your relationship and understand if it's going to bring you good or not before going forward (use both your heart and you brain ... ALWAYS!!!).
What you need to do is to look at things from a long term point of view and not short term as you have suggested ...you have had a great time with that lady when you visited her. Surely, a decent lady will not behave this way,
Now you are left with 2 issues : 1. Her parents are not happy about her marrying a foreigner. 2. Her attitude is very poor. This lady. is not worth trying to live in Shenzhen. This lady is not worth trying hard to get a job in Shenzhen. There are good quality ladies in China who can give you a better outcome than this lady. There are many parents of other ladies who can welcome you with arms. IN SHORT ! FORGET ABOUIT THIS LADY and move on !
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lukapuka wrote:Good story, although I would not call it sad (at least not yet). I'm definitely not an expert on the subject. But ...
If you're serious about her, learning Chines was a good step, but far from enough. 3 years is a long time. Have you met her parents before? Have you tried to openly discuss your intention and their thoughts and concerns about it? Talk to your girlfriend openly and try to figure out her thoughts (if the girl is smart enough - you will never ever be able to 100% read her mind, thus do not fool yourself). At the same time do not expect her to give you a complete road-map
.
Asking of such advice here - is waste of time as the least. You are already making a mistake by looking for "Asian girl expert"! (there are a cultural differences - yes, there are a certain ways of thinking - yes, but most people are the same no matter which country we're from). You're trying to generalize your relations with her? A mistake (in this case you should forget her and follow Bella_Shu's advice (which is absurd anyway)).
If you really love her - stock yourself up with more patience and follow your heart (not brain).
Personal relations are very sensitive and usually very unique and fragile matter, where even smallest thing might matter most. Asking people on the forum for a help with it - is like: "I made my own herbal-tea, using following ingredients. Can someone tell me if would taste good?". Sure I can tell (without knowing all tiny details, proportions etc.)...
Bella_Shu: sorry but your advice would be in my "Top 100 most ridiculous advices". Although based on the language you're using - you would be even banned from that "Top 100". And Aromaza would follow the lead.
well, U are Living in The country With 1 Bio populations dude!! All U need to do just wash Ur face, look at the mirror, then move on!! If The Subject who start this thread as good as he's been told... Don't worry, there's a gem that waiting for Him out there...
I'm just curious how this worked out for them? If your still around, can you give us an update?
Also, I'm a bit confused about the 'male to female ratio problem in China'... dating services say, that "women outnumber men in China". (Hence, China's alleged 'Leftover Women' problem, etc.)
But, 'axemenbasketball' seems to be stating that the opposite is the truth...
So, which is it? (I tend to believe his version is correct. As, most dating sites are notoriously dishonest.)
R_Mortisse wrote:Also, I'm a bit confused about the 'male to female ratio problem in China'... dating services say, that "women outnumber men in China". (Hence, China's alleged 'Leftover Women' problem, etc.)
..... As, most dating sites are notoriously dishonest.)
As you said, dating services lie, and that is a big one.
China has a massive shortfall of females to males because of a really silly political policy of some years ago that penalised couples that had more than one child. As boys were seen as preferable, female infanticide became common so there are many more males than females. That's why there's so much wife trafficking into China at the moment.
I'm unsure if this is true in China as a country, but I found Chinese ladies in the UK appreciated a chivalrous gentleman's manners, something that gave me a notable edge over the Chinese guys they knew.
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