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I can assure you living in small city like Jember is much cheaper then in bigger and crowded city like Jakarta.just note fuel prices could be the same

Thank you for the useful information..

I live in Bandung. It isn't expensive like Jakarta and it has a nice climate with amazing countryside. It has a nice young population there too and a relatively young Mayor who is making big improvements in the city.

Thank you Mike for the nice information.. I have been to Bandung and it is really a nice and beautiful place.. Actually I am interested to know about Jember, a city located in East Java. Whether it is a like Bandung or other medium size Indonesian cities or not, in terms of cost of living and the city culture..

Oh I haven't actually been to Jember so unable to offer an opinion. Good luck with that.

thanks Mike for the good wishes.. I have been to Central Java but not beyond that.. Hopefully I could get some useful info about Jember..

You may read this before relocating to Jember:

Anyone who has lived in Indonesia for a decent length of time is used to new nutty laws being proposed.聽 It鈥檚 a sort of sport here to see what governing body can come with the wackiest proposed new laws.聽 聽

What was good news to read however, was this part:

鈥淭he Jember Chapter of Nadhlatul Ulama (NU), the second-largest Muslim organization in Indonesia, opposed the proposal.鈥�

It's one of the craziest proposed law so far,just can't imagine how many girls would be聽 a left out if this law get a nod from the lawmaker.

Even if this proposed city ordinance was passed, it would only be symbolic鈥�an appeasement more or less to the insatiable urge of the legislators in Jember to impose a moral code of conduct.聽 It would flagrantly violate national law, so its enforcement would never happen.聽

In the world鈥檚 most populated Islamic country, Indonesian women enjoy far more human rights than do the majority of Muslim women elsewhere.聽 That is far less a testament to the 鈥渟ound wisdom鈥� of male dominated legislative bodies as it is to the strength and resolve of Indonesian women.聽 聽

"Symbolic" hmm? Not for those poor students,..

"Appeasement". Sure, maybe not as bad as Europe's and America's increasing submission to the concept or reality of 贰耻谤补产颈补听 but still an ever increasing imposition and toll on people's lives.

As mentioned in comments to the local media elsewhere on this and other topics of blatant misrule in our beloved "Nusantara", there will be no change until "the people" rise against it. "It" being the criminal class of oppressors that still maintain this country under their grip.

Agree that Indonesian women still enjoy far more in terms of human rights than their Arab sisters. After all, one has been President, many are in the professions and in high corporate positions like the former boss of Pertamina and the present boss of Blue Bird taxi company, just for starters. The middle to lower classes are in favor of sliding backwards, however, with increasingly onerous bylaws coming into effect in provinces and regencies across the archipelago - not only in Aceh. Indonesia's present womanhood is coasting on an illustrious past and present of many such figures as Kartini, Cut Nyak Dhien, Rasuna Said, Tribhuwana Wijayatunggadewi, Alexandra Asmasoebrata, long suffering Fatmawati, Sri Mulyani and countless more. Few underdeveloped other countries boast such an imposing line-up.

Arguably, if it weren't for the quality of Indonesian women, this country would have gone to the dogs a long time ago.

Indostock you forget to put our new SEA and FISHERY MINISTER in the list聽
Btw your statement " if it weren't for the quality of Indonesian woman" has inspire me

""Symbolic" hmm? Not for those poor students,.."

Symbolic because the law would never be enforced.聽 I thought that was pretty clear.

With a little sleuthing, it can generally be discovered that, in this country, bylaws regulating human behavior, generally ARE enforced.

Especially in regards to those (regulations) promulgated by the 'intolerant' members of this community.

I certainly would hope to be proved wrong on this one, Roy!

By the way, the NU does not run the show in this country. And that is pretty clear too.

"With a little sleuthing, it can generally be discovered that, in this country, bylaws regulating human behavior, generally ARE enforced."

Care to elaborate because I disagree unless of course you mean Aceh.聽 聽

"By the way, the NU does not run the show in this country. And that is pretty clear too."

Nobody said the NU runs "the show" in Indonesia.聽 So, what's the point of your comment?

Well it now looks like this post can end and we can all move on to the next outlandish press story. The Jakarta Globe does that with ease so thats helpful.



Case closed. Next....

The outcome is not a bit surprising.聽 As a wrote earlier, this sort of thing is a kind of national sport here.

Re: Bylaws

I draw your attention to following articles;



and an excerpt from UN's Women in Indonesia Factsheet:

At the local level, 154 discriminatory bylaws, identified by Komnas Perempuan, limit the ability of women to exercise their rights. The bylaws contain rules on clothing, morality and religion鈥攕ome oblige Muslim women to be veiled, while others prohibit women from leaving their houses after dark without being accompanied by a spouse or male relative.iv Administrative decentralization鈥攚here authority has been devolved from the central government to local authorities鈥攁nd the rise of religious fundamentalism, are factors linked to weak enforcement of laws, and the enactment of local legislation that curtails women鈥檚 freedoms and violates their human rights.

Both of these sources don't mention Aceh by name.

Re: Nobody said the NU runs "the show" in Indonesia.聽 So, what's the point of your comment?

Your very own effluence, Roy!:

Ubudian Yesterday 15:32:45 ....
What was good news to read however, was this part:

鈥淭he Jember Chapter of [large]Nadhlatul Ulama (NU)[/large], the second-largest Muslim organization in Indonesia, opposed the proposal.鈥�

Kettle, pot ...not? Illyterite!

This message may no longer apply since it is 4+ years old but may provide you with a lead in terms of people to contact:



Otherwise, in my experience, it always good to go to Kantor Bupati, any tourist offices, Kantor Immigrasi etc in order to find any foreigners that you can talk to you.

Take it from there.

You need to get out more ole boy!聽 And I鈥檒l bet a lot of the Indonesian ladies on this forum will get a good laugh over their supposed restrictions on what they wear and needing a male relative to escort them at night.

Have you been to a shopping mall in Jakarta lately?聽

Have you even watched broadcast TV?聽 Check the ads and tell me more about how Indonesian women are restricted.聽

My comment regarding NU was this:

鈥淲hat was good news to read however, was this part:

鈥淭he Jember Chapter of Nadhlatul Ulama (NU), the second-largest Muslim organization in Indonesia, opposed the proposal.鈥�

The reason that is good news should be obvious.聽 But I鈥檒l explain it for you anyway.

Whenever a major Islamic organization comes out in whole hearted support of women鈥檚 rights, that is good news.

interesting news about jember...

I read somewhere that Jember Goverment has made an apology for the nutty new proposed law
So let's just end it coz it seem we are out of topic here.
The OP wish to know about house prices yet we give him this cracking funny news聽

Hi everybody,

Bidara sary is right. Let's avoid being off topic here and let's go back to the initial subject of this thread.

Thanks all

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