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Ubudian wrote:

Now we can hug again.

Dude, unless you're around 18 to 30 years old, a very pretty lady and promise not to tell my wife, you have zero chance of a hug.
You would have but I stopped drinking ... and wearing skirts, but that's a story for another day.

The possible alcohol ban is very unlikely, but a lot of that depends on who is making cash from the sales.
You've already mentioned the cash raked in by one hotel, and that's a likely picture all over Indonesia, so someone will lose out in a large way if it gets banned.
Do they have any political influence, or will they just have to live with a ban?

tel522 wrote:

As I understood it the government of RI wanted to increase tourism all over indonesia, re the proposed alcohol ban in surabaya , a few days ago聽 some members of parliament wished the proposed ban to be extended all over indonesia including local production , ya these things come up every ramadan , but if it gets through forget about tourism , also its a dis-incentive for investment here .

we shall see !
30 may
News聽 from Jakarta Post page 2....

If passed, law will impose full nationwide ban on production, distribution, consumption of drinks with 1%-55% alcohol content House expects to pass bill by July 28.


鈥淭he title will be deliberated later to speed up the process,鈥� said leader of a House special committee for the alcohol prohibition bill, Mohammad Arwani Thomafi, a lawmaker from the United Development Party (PPP) which, together with fellow Islamoriented party the Prosperous Justice Party (PKS), has sponsored the bill.

As you summarised.
There has been strange going on indeed in Indonesian Parliament. It seems the executive and the legislative government are not in direct sync on many instances.
Legislative went on producing many laws that could be construe as not running common sense. And the executive would later on playing catch ups.

The general feel of the majority of the populace, I believe would separate alcohol in 2 types:

1) Alcohol content less than 10 percent - usually beer to be freely distributed, with the exception rule to minors.

2) Alcohol content more than 10 percent considered "Miras - Minuman Keras" should be regulated and permit to sell should be monitored more closely.

If the blanket ban of 1 percent above alcohol content were to be in effect - it could be too damaging beyond belief.
The same as earlier last year when the issue of closing time of nightlife venues went on for a long debate. In the end, the issue died down and things went back to normal. It was a knee jerk reactions and many concealed insiders were trying to score points and curry favors traded.

duplez wrote:

We can find beer at Hokky, Papaya and Ranch Supermarkets and there are a few industry contacts where we can buy cases. Of course you can still stop at hotels, bars, restaurants and outdoor venues like Spazio, and the Loop.

Correct.. the thing is.. depending on the area where you are located, the availability of beer is proportional to the number of bars open.聽 west surabaya has more places to drink. .Gwalk, bars, hotels.聽 Loop is a good place to hang out.. but hope its not going to rain..

MF24 wrote:

This is a stupid narrow-minded fanatical decision from this backward lady mayor of Surabaya for whom the rest of the world does not exist apart from her dark age way of thinking.

Strong words.

I do have one question, the says 5.9% of all deaths (3.3 million in 2012) are a direct result of alcohol, so why do you support smoking bans but not alcohol bans when both kill by the millions?

MF24 wrote:

Wine should be tasted moderately trying to fit it with the appropriate food.

Of course everyone does that

MF24 wrote:

the ban from that Surabaya lady mayor is only based on narrow-minded religious prejudice and fanatism. It is a mere total absence of tolerance.

A thought - Even if she has the reason for the ban wrong, does it make the actual ban wrong given the millions of death caused by Alcohol abuse?

MF24 wrote:

Moreover it reveals a serious lack of open-minded sensible education to other cultures and ways of life as well as complete bigotry.

Given your rejection of this lady's cultural values and your insulting language towards this lady and her beliefs, are you in a moral position to make that comment?

Ubudian wrote:

Fred, you ask,

鈥淎 thought - Even if she has the reason for the ban wrong, does it make the actual ban wrong given the millions of death caused by Alcohol abuse?鈥�

Yes, it does and for the singular and simple reason that this diminishes the secular nature of Indonesia鈥檚 governance.聽 No single person, from kepala desa (village head) to President should have the authority to impose such bans.

If the ban was carried out as a health issue in an attempt to stamp out the obvious problem of abuse, would that have been secular enough?

I'll be honest, I didn't even know about the alcohol ban in Banten until I noticed seven eleven didn't have it anymore, that being about 6 months after it happened.
As an ex drunken yob and general piss artist, I detest drunks as they remind me what a twit I used to be so I won't be complaining about any ban.
Bugger all to do with religion but the sign of the drunks hanging outside the church next to their cars and motorbikes really bugged me, wondering if one day one of the soft idiots would crash into me on their drunken way home.
When I finally heard about the ban I applauded it because that set of fools couldn't buy their booze in the local minimart any more, that making the world a slightly better and safer place.

You can still get a drink in hotels and a bunch of other places but it did stop street drinkers so it did at least part of what it was supposed to do and, if we're being honest, no one needs alcohol聽 ... or if you do, you need a head doctor as well.

I'm even unsure any ban would really do much to upset the tourist trade in Bali as the bars would still be able to sell the stuff, only the mini markets not being able to do so.