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lasvegan wrote:

You misunderstand Asian corruption! Vastly different then in the West! Asian corruption is accepted by Asians as part of normal life! In the West corruption starts at the top of any criminal or control chain such as local government! It works it's way down the chain. For example, lets say you had a string of hookers and each made you $1000. In the West all $1000 goes to the top dog! And he gives out what he wants to those down chain! In Asia the $1000 collected at the bottom the source and They take a small cut and it goes like that to the top! What's left at the top belongs to Topdog! No in fighting or in house killings. Everyone is satisfied as he got his cut! And so you can see that corruption in Asian style is spread between all! What's to change? It is the best form of corruption in any chain organization on Earth! Nobody native to here wants to change it!

Why have Duterte tried to fight cooruption then and fired people because of that...

Big WICTIMS arent happy with it...
(These happened before Duterte) E g:
a Filipino started a computer businesses and was so good at it so within the first year he had compeeted out all except 3 of around 10.Ìý Of the 3 left one was owned by one with local power so he made this good business got big problem when he tried to get hiss business permit extended motived by diferent ridicilous "reasons"...Ìý Ìý
We lost contact so I dont know if he had to close.

A Filipino exporter got his container blocked by the Phils custom of ridicilous "reasons" and the storage fees raised fast.Ìý I dont know if the custom made it to get high fees paid or to get the goods for free by the owner give up.Ìý ÌýI lost contact with him too so I suppouse he gave up.
(That made I more or less skiped a business idea because the start costs of such are so high so it would go break if the custom would block the first export container.)

An Asian got his "import" of his private things blocked by the custom demanded crazy high fees, much more than it was worth and more than he could afford to pay.He lost almost all his things including not replaceable personal MEMORY thingsÌý Ìý

lasvegan wrote:

Remember the very important rule here! DON'T change the PI let it change you and you will be happy! Don't and you will be unhappy forever! It will be years of living here to even understand how Filipino's see life! Not even close to your ideas! But they work fine for those that chose to join the culture! Take a week and go stay in a mountain village deep in the Province and you will now have the understanding of the very basics of Filipino life at it's original sources!

Exactly!!! You are a guest and you can't change the culture.

lasvegan wrote:

All the above is part of pure Asian corruption! Someone is always trying to work around chain of profit! The system only works when Topdog keeps order in the system and this is done through financial ruin to the disrupter!

So perhaps thats why custom and a police boss got firedÌý Ìý

GoDees wrote:

Corruption is a world wide problem, different countries have different styles of corruption. With the poverty here, everybody is looking to make a bit extra cash, whether it be scams, fleecing people with over pricing, faulty taxi meters, finding overseas benefactors, made up charges, etc. For ex-pats, they have to learn the differences and there is no way they will make any difference to the top echelon of graft and corruption here. Just be observant and keep your guard up.
regards all
Bruce

Good points Bruce. Poverty breeds crime and greed breeds corruption.

lasvegan wrote:

Remember the very important rule here! DON'T change the PI let it change you and you will be happy! Take a week and go stay in a mountain village deep in the Province and you will now have the understanding of the very basics of Filipino life at it's original sources!

I've been stuck here in this backwater/3rd class province for more than 2yrs now (hope that counts as filipino life original source)
Though I'm quite happy with my life here as we make do with what we have. The "understanding" part is still beyond me.
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manwonder wrote:

lasvegan wrote:

Remember the very important rule here! DON'T change the PI let it change you and you will be happy! Take a week and go stay in a mountain village deep in the Province and you will now have the understanding of the very basics of Filipino life at it's original sources!

I've been stuck here in this backwater/3rd class province for more than 2yrs now (hope that counts as filipino life original source)
Though I'm quite happy with my life here as we make do with what we have. The "understanding" part is still beyond me.
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🤣😂🤣😂 I've been all over the Philippines for 13 years and I still don't understand the Filipino mentality, but I understand why the Philippines is so far behind most of the rest of the World because of it.

Glen Adkins wrote:

40 years ago the Philippines was the pearl, of the orient, with minimum corruption.Ìý Those times are gone.

WHAT?!!!!
Marcos wasÌý president 1965–1986 and he was so very much corruptt so evenÌý Swizz bank did send back a half BILLION DOLLARSÌý to the Philipine governtment!Ìý And that was only the part Marcos had tried to hide THERE...
News article

coach53 wrote:

Glen Adkins wrote:

40 years ago the Philippines was the pearl, of the orient, with minimum corruption.Ìý Those times are gone.

WHAT?!!!!
Marcos wasÌý president 1965–1986 and he was so very much corruptt so evenÌý Swizz bank did send back a half BILLION DOLLARSÌý to the Philipine governtment!Ìý And that was only the part Marcos had tried to hide THERE...
News article

FM's wealth came from WWII loot. It's debatable if you could consider this as corruption. The Japanese stole it from 13 Asian Countries.

Glen Adkins wrote:

Correct.Ìý I left FM out of the equation. For awhile, after the FM era, doing business in the Philippines looked very promising when compared to other Asian countries.

Perhaps no one else dared to be corrupt duting FM, FM wanting all corruption for himselfÌý ?Ìý Ìý

Glen Adkins wrote:

Now I see foreigners giving up on doing business in the Philippines.

Wel.Ìý I got to know a foreigner just two weeks ago, who have a successful business and even think some of exbanding.
Left to see if I will manage too. Its a big potential in the business type I found - if officials dont screw up to muchÌý Ìý

FortuneFavorsTheBold wrote:

coach53 wrote:

Glen Adkins wrote:

40 years ago the Philippines was the pearl, of the orient, with minimum corruption.Ìý Those times are gone.

WHAT?!!!!
Marcos wasÌý president 1965–1986 and he was so very much corruptt so evenÌý Swizz bank did send back a half BILLION DOLLARSÌý to the Philipine governtment!Ìý And that was only the part Marcos had tried to hide THERE...
News article

FM's wealth came from WWII loot. It's debatable if you could consider this as corruption. The Japanese stole it from 13 Asian Countries.

The part, which got send back, Marcos family claimed was some kind of "commision" for a WORK FM had done...
And if it would be the loot, why didntt Marcos give it back to the countries Japan stole it from...?Ìý Ìý

sekmet wrote:

So, a foreign business owner can expect to pay bribes? I don't mind paying, I just don't want to over pay.

Seem to be big differences between different business types and different reigions.

No Foreigners havent told me of any bribes paid, but perhaps they have paid but havent told me. Its ILLEGAL to PAY bribes.

A FILIPINO WITH correct documents told he had to pay 40 000 pesos to get a lorry load of his production through the checkpoints from his location to market in a distant city. (I dont know which of his products nor if/how dangerous high they had loadedÌý Ìý Ìýbut I guess around worth half mill pesos retail price.)

I havent paid any bribes but perhaps thats why things get done so very slowÌý ÌýÌý ÌýBut I believe it depend of incompetence because there were big errors done BEFORE we ggot involved. (EÌý g two lots with same lot number!!! Online registration system didnt function ffor a common business type before I made them ssolve it.Ìý An application I know is ssuppoused tto be handdled in each municipaly, they had no clue what it is and they send it to province capital city for handling...)