Your experience with the Retirement Visa
I'm new to Thailand and trying to weave myself out of the 30-day visa run. I'm here because of family (US & EU on work permits) but I entered via a 30-day tourist visa at the airport.
To get a Non-immigrant O visa for 1 year with multiple entries I have to be inside the US--not in a neighboring country here. That might happen if I send my application to the Los ANgeles Thai embassy while I'm visiting friends in Hawaii.
Or I could apply for the Retirement visa. Is this correct--the only requirement is an affidavit from the US embassy that monthly income is $2100 or more?聽 I was told I don't have to put those funds into a Thai bank account. And I take that affidavit and application to Immigration here in BKK. Those who are on the retirement visa--is it that simple? For a 1-year multiple entry, non immigrant O visa? Is legal assistance necessary?
Many thanks for taking the time to share your experience!
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I depend on the information from my nearest Thai consulate:
The monetary requirements are (in baht!):
- applicant's bank statement (U.S.) showing a balance in the amount of not less than 800,000 Baht
- or an income certificate with a monthly salary of not less than 65,000 Baht
- or a combination of a deposit account plus a monthly income totaling not less than 800,000 Baht a year.
Immigration MAY ask for criminal background check and medical certification, but that's very rarely called for.
jbeverly wrote:Hello,
I'm new to Thailand and trying to weave myself out of the 30-day visa run. I'm here because of family (US & EU on work permits) but I entered via a 30-day tourist visa at the airport.
To get a Non-immigrant O visa for 1 year with multiple entries I have to be inside the US--not in a neighboring country here. That might happen if I send my application to the Los ANgeles Thai embassy while I'm visiting friends in Hawaii.
Or I could apply for the Retirement visa. Is this correct--the only requirement is an affidavit from the US embassy that monthly income is $2100 or more?聽 I was told I don't have to put those funds into a Thai bank account. And I take that affidavit and application to Immigration here in BKK. Those who are on the retirement visa--is it that simple? For a 1-year multiple entry, non immigrant O visa? Is legal assistance necessary?
Many thanks for taking the time to share your experience!
It is true that you will most likely not have to have the money in a Thai Bank or that you have an income of at least Bht 65,000 per month.聽 However you will be swearing an oath that you do have those funds as required before someone who is has the authority of a Judge or JP for this declaration.聽 I haven't heard of anyone in Thailand being prosecuted for giving false declarations recently.聽 TIT
聽 聽It's much the same as me going into to see a Thai doctor to get a medical certificate to apply for a Thai driving licence.聽 I spoke to the receptionist filled in the details on the form, all OK.聽 My eyes are good haven't got aids or HIV, I'm not insane, don't have syphilis ( thank heavens), pass the eye site test and in general my health is good.聽 She says 80 Bht please, she signs for the doctor and I give her Bht 80. and I get the paper I say " I need 2",聽 so we go through the same process again and I pay her another Bht 80.聽 The doctor could have been out to lunch or down the pub, I still got my genuine medical certificates signed by a doctor with his stamp on them...Thank heavens I now know I haven't got syphilis and聽 that I'm not mad and my eyes are perfect and my health is good?聽 聽This would be a good script for an episode for the Two Ronnies Comedy Show if they were still around, bless them...TIT
It's been a while since I applied for one so I'm not sure how much it is now.
15 months so I guess it depends who sets you up. I've also heard of retirees getting a particular 'business' visa that allows them multiple entries.
retiredenglishgent wrote:once the agent has set it up for you do you have to reaply every year and pay 25000bht every year ????
No. If you're willing to invest 4-6 hours of your retirement time, you can do the renewal procedure, yourself, and keep 23,200. Baht in your own pocket.
In fact, you do not really need an agent, to begin with. You can D.Y.I., as The Thai Immigration Officers will politely guide you though the entire process, to the tune of 1,800. Baht/annually. Done.
In addition, the D.Y.I. 90-day report updates, are free of charge. Regards 
When I renewed in Sep 2017 it was 1,900 THB for 12 mth extension and 3,800 THB for multiple re-entry permit. I did myself. Again, I used income affidavit from US Embassy (cost $50) + 400 THB for stamp from MFA Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I paid someone 1,000 THB to go to MFA to get the stamp for me at same time they took my Marriage papers there. When I went for my 90-day reporting, I asked if the income affidavit needed to have MFA stamp and they told me yes...
I think 25,000 is a little high, probably can find someone to do for 20,000 first time which should include all immigration fees & MFA fees. Then, you can do your renewals yourself.聽 You will be going every 90 days anyway to report in unless you're paying for that as part of the 25,000 fee, then it may be worth it for you at least first time...
You need to decide if you want to pay extra for the multiple re-entry permit if you will be traveling outside country. That is 3,800 THB extra.
You can look up costs on immigration website. Good luck.
P.S. The Pattaya City Expat Club website has a good write-up on everything to do.
Zeus.wmo wrote:I'm looking at my receipts and it was 2000 THB for 3 mth temporary, 1900 THB for 12 mth extension (retirement)聽 and 3800 THB for multiple re-entry permit the first time in July 2016. I got all at same time.
When I renewed in Sep 2017 it was 1900 THB for 12 mth extension and 3800 THB for multiple re-entry permit.
There are other costs like getting income affidavit notarized if using, or getting MFA stamps if needed but those are not paid to immigration.
You can look up costs on immigration website.
Indeed, your post is more specifically detailed. The IO-Visa the annual fee is 1,900. Baht for the Retirement Visa, and 5,600.Baht grabd total, with ME stamp, is still 19,400. Baht savings to the applicant, when done on the D.Y.I. basis. Thanks for the corrective update, btw.
Anyway, I can definitely relate to paying myself, rather than an agent, nearly $600.00+, for 4-6 hrs. worth of time, and effort, for one day's work, each year. 
So I got a call while driving two days ago, from a guy claiming to be from immigration.聽 Being the careful sort I was probably a bit brusque with him, stating that I was driving to the airport and couldn鈥檛 really talk.聽 He insisted we needed to talk but he would call again the next day when I was free.
Yesterday he called to explain that he needed to perform a house visit and gave me enough information to calm my suspicions.聽 Today he showed up with uniform, documentation and ID.聽 We talked for a while, he asked some questions and took some pictures as verification that he had done his job.聽 He later sent me copies of the photos on LINE.
He was not overly surprised that I had not been visited before but he had to be in my area for another inspection today so wanted to get more than one visit done.聽 The guy before me was a Chinese business owner so there was a huge stack of paperwork he had to go through with him.
His story about why they were doing more inspections was that they started paying more attention after the tsunami in Phuket.聽 Some of the people who died in Phuket had Bangkok listed as where they were which slowed identification and perhaps angered some foreign governments.聽
There has also been an effort to crackdown on crime and those who are dishonest about their reasons for being in Thailand.聽 They are making an effort to get rid of the bad apples when possible.聽 Anyway, my first home visit was quite painless and the guy was very nice and very polite.
ARB360 wrote:Zeus.wmo wrote:I'm looking at my receipts and it was 2000 THB for 3 mth temporary, 1900 THB for 12 mth extension (retirement)聽 and 3800 THB for multiple re-entry permit the first time in July 2016. I got all at same time.
When I renewed in Sep 2017 it was 1900 THB for 12 mth extension and 3800 THB for multiple re-entry permit.
There are other costs like getting income affidavit notarized if using, or getting MFA stamps if needed but those are not paid to immigration.
You can look up costs on immigration website.
Indeed, your post is more specifically detailed. The IO-Visa the annual fee is 1,900. Baht for the Retirement Visa, and 5,600.Baht grabd total, with ME stamp, is still 19,400. Baht savings to the applicant, when done on the D.Y.I. basis. Thanks for the corrective update, btw.
Anyway, I can definitely relate to paying myself, rather than an agent, nearly $600.00+, for 4-6 hrs. worth of time, and effort, for one day's work, each year.
Wow, my arithmetic is really skewed here, of late. Don't think poorly of me, Zeus. I'm just getting old. Ok?
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I went to the Krung Thai bank to change some money (only 30B/$1!) and idly asked about creating a bank account; they told me that I needed to have a retirement visa first! I asked about getting a retirement visa, that a preferred method is to get a Thai bank account first. I used the term Catch-22 and they didn't get it.
Ruffian Dick wrote:Well, here I am in Chiang Mai again.
I went to the Krung Thai bank to change some money (only 30B/$1!) and idly asked about creating a bank account; they told me that I needed to have a retirement visa first! I asked about getting a retirement visa, that a preferred method is to get a Thai bank account first. I used the term Catch-22 and they didn't get it.
RD, thanks for that sardonic quip. A hearty (daily) laugh is good for the soul. However, you do know, well enough, the vast majority of even (1970s-genre) "educated" Americans, have never quite gotten the Catch-22 drift, and still remain clueless, in 2018. Thus, are you really surprised that a bank clerk (in 2018 Thailand), is not above par level, compared to their "average" American counter-part? Be kindly Cricket now, ok? Regards, 
Just to add a little incite from 10 years worth of renewals.....
1--The Jomtien Immigration Office requires a letter from your Thai bank even if you are using the income letter from the US Embassy or their traveling show, US Citizen Services has a outreach program where they visit several towns outside of Bangers, regardless of how small the balance is.
2--They also require some proof of your residence whether that is a letter from the owner where you lease or a copy of your Yellow Book.
I got my original retirement visa in Bangkok in 2007 at the old Suan Phlu Office and they did not require either of the above since I had the embassy letter.
As for the Catch-22 dilemma:聽 yes, it is maddening but oh so very Thai to require a visa that you don't have before opening a bank account that you do need to get the visa.聽 All I can suggest is to keep trying.聽 Keep a smile on your face because someone at some bank will get it done for you. I opened my first bank account in Thailand more than a dozen years ago in Pattaya on nothing but a 30 day permission to stay in lieu of a visa.聽 When I was along with my brother in the Sathorn District of Bangkok trying to open an account for him six years ago we tried....maybe 10-12 banks before one would bite. But keep trying.
The renewals are incredibly easy in my opinion and 1,900 baht as mentioned. The income letter from the embassy is $50 US and the letter from the bank is 100-150 baht. Photo and copy services at the office next to Jomtien Immigration is maybe 100-150 baht and they are very helpful, willing to look over the form I have filled out to spot any omissions and they sort it the way immigration wants them and staples it all together.聽 They have tables and forms to fill out at the copy shop in Jomtien and I fill it out myself and walk next door to take a number.聽 I go in the afternoon after the rush is over and go back to pick up my new one year visa renewal the next morning.
The 90 day reporting requirement is easy.聽 They can be done online to some degree I am told but I just take a baht bus over from Pattaya. A few minutes after scanning the bar code on the bottom of your latest report and they staple the new document in your passport: done.聽
The immigration staff in Jomtien is top notch in my opinion. Their professionalism would put some western government offices to shame.聽 When I bought my condo my significant other had her blue book already but I did not have my yellow book yet when it was time to renew my visa. The folks in Jomtien had her copy her blue book and write a short note saying I lived there, had applied for my yellow book but had not received it yet: done.
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