Joint custody
Wish you all a happy 2021..As a new parent stuck in Mauritius for the moment.. I wanted to ask if somebody could advise me if there any means of legal way to sign any joint custody declaration for a child in Germany with her mother .. Sounds like the German Consulate isn’t enough of a legal institution for such declaration..I unfortunately can’t travel to Germany for these paperworks for the only reason that my passport is already at the immigration office in Germany .. any help or advises is very much appreciated
Many thanks
Bl@ckfin .
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(If you are not legal father, the question should be how to become one. For that, the mother should contact a good lawyer in family law.)
Or maybe you mean something else? What do you want to achieve with this declaration?
Thanks for taking your time to reply..to be more precise I need to obtain my visa under family reunion with a foreign child ( whom I’m really the father under declaration ) and I’m neither married nor living with the mother in the same land for the moment , the law automatically declares the mother having full custody of this child.. The problem is that to obtain my visa I have to declare a joint custody but the problem is that through my visa application , I already submitted my passport with the rest of the documents which have been sent to Germany.. which means I can’t travel to get to the German civil status and make such declaration .. plus German consulate can’t really help here under the ground that they are not enough of a legal institution for such declaration.. I wanted to know if somebody knows another way to get through this very outstanding situation in order to clarify that step of my visa application...
Thanks
Bl@ckfin
It could be because you are not the legal father. This can happen if the father is unknown or not specified at birth. In that case the mother automatically has sole custody.
But then a custody declaration wold not help, because then you are still not father (at least from a legal standpoint - being biological father does not help here!). To my knowledge, only the legal father (and not a mere custody holder) can get the family reunion visa.
Becoming father is more complicated than sharing custody. It cannot just be "declared". I think it has to be be recognised by a German family court. The mother should engage a good lawyer for family law!
Edited to add: The above assumes the child is German citizen. If not, Germany has probably no jurisdiction over this and you should contact the authorities of the baby's home country.
As mentioned I’m fully legally and biologically the father of that child ..Plus I got all papers from the jugendamt ( birth declaration and proof of paternity ) and the reason why the mother have the full custody is that I’m living in Mauritius and the baby is born in Germany with her mother and according to the law the mother gets automatically the full custody..which is normal .My application for family reunion is going very well just that we should update our current status to joint custody by now on .. unfortunately I’ve been told by the German Consulate that no German institution can’t do this legal paper work in Mauritius .. I’m asking myself if a Mauritian notary could legalize the procedure with the approval of tel he PMO and the Mauritius foreign affairs ..It would be easier to go to Germany for these paperwork but the pandemic sitiluation would make it super difficult financially .. that’s why I’m thinking of this option.. if you know a better idea be sure that your point of view is very welcoming !
Bl@ckfin
But now that I understand the full issue, I wonder what you expect from us?
You already got the reply that a custody declaration is not possible in Mauritius. (Do you doubt the information you get from the embassy?)
What do you need the custody declaration for? Can't you get it after arrival in Germany with the FRV (which you say you will easily get)? That would be far easier! Or do you suspect the mother will (ab-)use the sole custody until then?
Again: If the child is German citizen (you still did not say so), then a German family court needs to get involved. The mother should contact a good lawyer for family law, who will advise you on the next steps!
Also, this is the Germany forum and you cannot expect Mauritius-specific knowledge here. Sorry!
If your country only has a German consulate, there is an embassy in a neighbouring country that oversees it. Did you find out which one that is and did you contact them?
Just being born in Germany does NOT give the child German citizenship. For that, one of the parents would have to be German. Is the mother or you German? Is the child German (as shown by e.g. having a German passport)? If not, you should contact the authorities of the child's home country instead.
I did not know that having custody, in addition to being father, is required for a FRV. But it makes sense. In that case, you have to furnish the custody declaration and the onus of getting it is on you (not the embassy or consulate - they don't care how difficult it is and that is also not their job).
An immigration or family lawyer (whose fees would not be cheap but probably cost less than a flight) really is the only authoritative option to find a way forwards - if one exists. If you shun the cost of this, the mother can also contact her local Jugendamt- maybe they can help, too.
Bl@ckfin wrote:To make it in another word.. we want to declare this joint custody separately from our respective country and send them to the jugendamt.. I can’t be clearer than this ..
Although still not clear, I interpret this as: The child is not German.
In that case Germany has (as far as I know) no jurisdiction about custody.
(It would possibly be different if both of you lived in Germany, because under certain circumstances - which I do not know, but a family lawyer can tell you about- German family law kicks in.)
You better contact the authorities of the baby's home country!
How did you manage to get German citizenship for the kid if both parents are not?
In any case, if you don't accept well-meant advice, then maybe this forum is not for you.
Bl@ckfin wrote:As much I am informed the German embassy is situated in Pretoria South Africa
According to this official webpage, it is Antananarivo,Madagascar:
Amtsbezirk / Konsularbezirk
Madagaskar und Mauritius
Der Leiter der Vertretung ist zugleich als Botschafter in Mauritius mit Sitz in Antananarivo akkreditiert.
So you have a German girlfriend by whom you have an child. For unclear reasons she has the full custody of your child, but now you want to join them and you want to stay in Germany.
So now you want to have joint custody, but how come they gave your girlfriend full custody? That doesn't make much sense to me.
If the German law gave her the full custody you would have to challenge it by the German government. Your girlfriend must say to the authorities that she wants to share custody with you. If she doesn't want to it seems you have a problem and you would have to go to court.
Are you really sure she wants to share the custody with you? I will have to guess that you must have been to Germany at least once, so you must have the legal German papers to proof it is your child.
The whole situation is still very foggy to me to be fair.
And the qualification for a non-EU person to get residency in Germany because of having a child that is a German citizen child usually stipulates that the person supports the child and lives with the mother, although not necessarily married. Maybe there are exceptions but want to point out that even agreed joint custody might not be enough.
Another point is that being born in Germany does NOT give one German citizenship! It depends on the citizenship of the legal parents. If the mother is German, then the kid is German, if not, then not. But the avoidance of answering the question concerning this is questionable and turned insulting. If the mother is German then why not simply say so? You have danced around giving a straight answer confirming this as far as I had read. That a kid is born in a German hospital means NOTHING, neither that the kid nor the mother is German. Lots of foreigner residents give birth in German hospitals.
And I am not sure if it is relevant but I suspect you didn’t understand Beppi’s comment that even proof of being the biological father doesn’t make one the legal father. This can have significant implications. All in all, you seem more concerned about asserting certain assumptions, which your evasive answers fail to verify, than you seem to be looking for honest answers or solutions.
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