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10/16/23 @Pablo888.聽 Welcome!聽 Enjoy Rio and Carnaval, stay alert and be careful.聽 Several of our members have experience with the retirement visa, and current threads should be easy to find by scanning the list here:

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We're here for any questions.

@Pablo888

Did you have a paricular area in Brazil in mind for your retirement?

Brazil is larger than contigious USA, so it might help if you have an idea...

@Peter Itamaraca, I am looking for a place on the beach for sure as I love windsurfing and sailing -聽 a place that is not leasehold.聽 Of course, safe and low crime rate area would be ideal.聽 Close to good health care and great neighbors.聽 In the suburb of a large city with an international airport..

Not sure if there are existing threads that have such discussions....聽

@Pablo888 i have been to buzious it's realy good and I found it safe too

@Peter Itamaraca @Pablo888 I have heard good things about Florianopolis.

Roddie in Retirement

@Shahbaz Shaikh786, thank you for recommending Buzios.聽 I am definitely intrigued by the place that was made popular by Brigitte Bardot.聽 I will be at the next Rio Carnival but this may not be the best time to visit Buzios as there is only 1 road in or out... My plan is to go back in the low season and experience the Buzios winter.

Good luck with your move to SP.聽 I hear it's a great place and I cannot wait to visit one day.

聽 聽 @Peter Itamaraca @Pablo888 I have heard good things about Florianopolis.
Roddie in Retirement-@roddiesho

@roddiesho, from the pictures on the web, Florianopolis looks great.聽 Will definitely plan to visit.聽 Do we have a Florianopolis expert on expat.com?聽 聽Would love to hear from the expert...

Thank you for suggesting.

Hello everyone,

Please note that this new thread has been created from your posts on the Brazil forum so that you may better interact.

All the best

Bhavna

Buzios, Cabo Frio, Sacuarema, Trancoso, Porto Seguro......etc.......

@Gasparzinho 777 I鈥檝e been living in Cabo Frio now for over 3 months now. My cunhados amd cunhadas live here. I love it here. Mainly because of the beaches and the tranquility.聽 S茫o Pedro is also nice but have to travel an extra 20minutes to get to a nice beach. Hope that helps!

Florinapolis聽 聽Itapema,聽 Cambori煤. My husband and I just purchased an apartment in Porto Belo, it is near Itapema, It is starting to develope, very safe beautiful area.

聽 聽 Not my first introduction on expat.com.聽 Grosso modo, I am scouting for where I am going to spend my retirement years.聽 Having spent most of my time in the northern hemisphere, I am partial to retiring in the southern hemisphere. Speak a couple of romance languages and would love to pick up Portuguese too.
Will be attending Rio Carnival 2024 with my wife.聽 Looking forward to be immersed in the Brazilian culture - as a reference point to my next visit to Lisbon, Portugal.
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聽 聽 -@Pablo888

Just to make you aware that most coastal communities lack the health care infra-structure, meaning quality care is substandard.聽 And Rio de Janeiro, by the way, is amongst the worse ones, and has been on the news on health care quality, not for good exposure.

Exceptions to ....

Camboriu-SC

Florianopolis-SC

Santos-SP ( which also includes Bertioga, Guaruja, Praia Grande, Sao Vicente )

Fortaleza-CE

Pelotas-RS

Paranagua-PR ( close enough to Curitiba )

Rio Grande-RS

Greater Porto Alegre-RS

Vitoria-ES

Sao Paulo's North Shore, not necessarily in the vicnity, but close enough to Sao Jose dos Campos and Taubate health care clusters, where you can settle in coastal towns such as Sao Sebastiao, Ubatuba, Caraguatatuba,Ilhabela.

For most part, Northeast States have聽 public hospitals and such, but lack the depth that you will find on the Southern and Midwest聽 States ( Rio Grande do Sul, Santa Catarina, Parana, Sao Paulo, Minas Gerais, Goias )

Just to make you aware that most coastal communities lack the health care infra-structure, meaning quality care is substandard.聽

Exceptions to ....

Camboriu-SC

Florianopolis-SC

Santos-SP ( which also includes Bertioga, Guaruja, Praia Grande, Sao Vicente )

Fortaleza-CE

Pelotas-RS

Paranagua-PR ( close enough to Curitiba )

Rio Grande-RS

Greater Porto Alegre-RS

Vitoria-ES

Sao Paulo's North Shore, not necessarily in the vicnity, but close enough to Sao Jose dos Campos and Taubate health care clusters, where you can settle in coastal towns such as Sao Sebastiao, Ubatuba, Caraguatatuba,Ilhabela.

For most part, Northeast States have聽 public hospitals and such, but lack the depth that you will find on the Southern and Midwest聽 States ( Rio Grande do Sul, Santa Catarina, Parana, Sao Paulo, Minas Gerais, Goias )
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聽 聽 -@sprealestatebroker

@sprealestatebroker, thank you for providing this very important perspective.聽

Just to make sure to clarify that the health care ask is for retirees - not for families with children.

Assuming that expat retirees are able to afford private insurance or private care in case of emergency, is it possible to use the public system to get stabilized and then transferred to the more specialized care center in another city / state?

For example, in the US, there are few specialized hospitals and it's very common to get stabilized locally and then transferred.

"Just to make sure to clarify that the health care ask is for retirees - not for families with children.

Assuming that expat retirees are able to afford private insurance or private care in case of emergency, is it possible to use the public system to get stabilized and then transferred to the more specialized care center in another city / state?

For example, in the US, there are few specialized hospitals and it's very common to get stabilized locally and then transferred. "

My answer....

Retires or children the demand is the same.聽 聽

The public system can be used only if you are a foreign national who has legal residence in Brazil, The equivalent of a Green Card here would be the RNE ID.聽 聽Then, upon claiming domicile in any given town, you get your utility bills and make a run towards the local public聽 city maintained community health center and ask them to get a SUS card issue.聽 That should take no more than a week.

Granted, the public health care, SUS , is a last resort resource.聽 聽if there is a major public hospital in your chosen town, even under emergency care, their triage might send you straight to the local public infirmary before they decide you need to be at the hospital.

That being said, even as the SUS program is a Federally funded one, the quality varies by Municipality and State.聽 聽And with that, there are better States and or Cities than others, when it comes to patient overload, facilities, availability of specialized care, diagnostic labs nearby.聽

For the sake of argument, I had next door neighbors, in Santo Andre-SP, now retired, who opted to move to a coastal community ( Caraguatatuba-SP ).聽 They came back, after realizing they need care, and at that town,. the publicly funded care was substandard.聽 聽So after selling their city聽 home where they resided for many years, they sold the beach house, and bought a smaller and more affordable place in Santo Andre.聽

Another example...,.

In my town, through the public clinic ( which isn't great but the general practicioner is usefull on prescriptions and getting diagnostic exames ordered ), directs most exams , short of blood, to the local Non-Profit "Casa da Esperanca:" which takes insurance, private payment, and the public vouchers for your CAT Scan or X-Ray.聽 The clinic, which maintain a body of special;ists, and state of art diagnostic equipment, was originally funded by the Lions Club International.

So that luxury makes Public Health Care more tolerable. Still , we do have a luxury to choose whatever private hospital we want, and since we are not insured, at any level of affordability and effectiveness we can manage.

In your specific case, you might want to consider that , if your choice of living community does not have a Health Care Cluster up to snuff, at the very least it is a 30 min to an hour drive to the nearest one.聽

Cities with decent public health care infra-structure have common tell tale signs, such as...

-A diversified economy

-A strong tax base ( property tax and State and Federal allocation of resources )

-Decent up to code core ubanization

-An aging population and prorgrams to elderly people

-Low dispariy on income gap. Too many paupers overload the public health system.

-A balance on public neighborhood health clinics, publlic infirmaries, and at least more than two hospitals.

-A sizeable number of practitioners.

This is Santos-SP. A coastline community

Santos itself is a larger second tier metro, which boasts a slower pace of life. Lots of Goden Age type folks there.

The front coastline is dotted with high rises. The back of the town, through the Tunner ( Mont Serrat ) is the Shipping Seaport ( Centro Historico, Valongo )

Its beaches do not lend suitable for surfing. But you are on a close enough drive to get to one of those spots, on a 2 hour drive radius at most.

Here's a google search on Santos' Hospitals

Hospital S茫o Lucas

Av. Ana Costa, 168 路 (13) 2102-5000

Pronto-socorro: Aberto 24 horas

Hospital Benefic锚ncia Portuguesa de Santos ( the best in Santos )

Av. Bernardino de Campos, 47 路 (13) 2102-3434

Hospital Casa de Sa煤de Santos

Rua Dr. Armando Salles de Oliveira, 131 路 (13) 3202-2500

Santa Casa da Miseric贸rdia de Santos ( Public )

Av. Dr. Cl谩udio Luiz da Costa, 50

Hospital Ana Costa

R. Pedro Am茅rico, 60 路 (13) 3228-9000

Hospital Frei Galv茫o | Hapvida NotreDame Interm茅dica ( Belongs to an insurer, not great reviews on the network )

Rua Dr. Heitor de Moraes, 19 路 (13) 3229-1500

Hospital Guilherme 脕lvaro

R. Oswaldo Cruz, 197

Santos has adjoinig towns which are part of its MSA

Cubatao ( not a resort type of place by any stretch of imagination, think Petrochemicals, Fertilizers, Steel Making, Logistics )

Sao Vicent, joined to Santos at the hip, a sleepy town.

Praia Grande - beachside is dotted with those crass high rises

Mongagua - Farther way

Guaruja - used to be a place where the rich would hobnob, now it is passe, but still a place to visit

Bertioga- Used to be a fishing village, now, Real Estate Developers inflicted their share of damage.

Further away, you have

South

Cananeia

Registro

Iguape

Mongagua

Peruibe

North

Riviera de Sao Lourenco ( full of gated communities )

Bertioga

Unatuba

Caraguatatuba

Sao Sebastiao ( both a resort town and an oil tanker seaport with the occasional spills )

Maresias

Ilhabela ( and Island by the Sao Sebastiao Straight, used to be a quaint place where a lot of Swiss and Frenchmen Expats spent their summmers. Both at Sao Sebastiao and Ilhabela you can still spot the Colonial Cannos pointed at sea )