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APPLYING Permanent Residency in BRAZIL - currently on WORK VISA 2 yrs

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5 years ago

Hi Everyone,

I have started this thread to know more about the process for converting my work visa to Permanent Residency.
Below is my current situation:

1. I have a work permit and a job in Brazil and the VISA (CRNM) is valid till September.
2. I Have my wife as dependent with me with same validity date of CRNM.
3. We have a newly born baby in Brazil and based on his condition, we want to take the permanent residency.
4. Currently I am staying in Sao Paulo city.

I need to get the below answers听 to start the process and I also post my experience and my followed process in each activity to help others

1. Where I can find the details about the permanent residency process, about where to apply etc.
2. Which all documents I need to provide for this process. A check list.
3. Which all document required to do the translation and legalisation before to present to immigration .

With the above doubts, I am starting this thread, I will keep post all my experience to help others. I searched many forums here but didn't get my answers completely.

Thanks

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abthree Brazil Expert

6453POSTS

5 years ago

MMI,

What you need is all laid out here:

Your child, when s/he is born, will be the "Chamante".

Since you and your wife already have CRNMs as a result of your employment visa, some of the document requirements may be waived, at the discretion of the Federal Police.

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meet_me_india Active member

37POSTS

5 years ago

Thanks Abthree, I was going through other post where someone suggest to hire a service provider which help to get those document, but it seems too much costly. As I鈥檓 living in brazil more than 1.8 years and can communicate intermediate Portuguese, I think I should go my own with the help of this forum.

So I have started preparing my documents and will post what all documents I have doubts based on the URL of POL脥CIA FEDERAL.

Attached the link of proposal. Please check this cost is 5 times the original fee of government services for residency.

https://i.ibb.co/DMjYHyY/77-D14-D85-227-E-4-CC3-9-B5-D-59992-AD5901-C.jpg

abthree Brazil Expert

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5 years ago

I agree.听 With intermediate Portuguese, your own legal status, and your baby's birth certificate, you should be able to handle this for yourselves.听 There's not much that these people could do for you except wait in line, and that's a lot to pay for line-waiting.

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GuestPoster204 Guest

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5 years ago

Ha ha! It麓s really funny when you and your wife presents your little brasileiro to PF - your chamante. The poor little guy has a very big responsibility already!

Just to remind you that when you fill up the online SISMIGRA form below for residency authorization,听 change the language to Portuguese by clicking the button at the upper right corner or you may get an error message at the end after all the work. And also on-line PF forms are calibrated for Internet Explorer browsers. If you use other browsers you may also receive an error message at the end of the paperwork.

When you print you will see the colorful seal of the Policia Federal. Bring this with the rest of the paperworks needed, your wife and your powerful Brasileiro! Smooth riding!

robal

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meet_me_india Active member

37POSTS

5 years ago

Thanks Abthree and Robal, wonderful guys with a lot of information to help us.. just to start the process, here what I understood about the process, based on that I鈥檒l start the document preparation.

1. I have read the URL , WHICH indeed help me to understand the process.

2. I will prepare this document as per this below URL , which I got from the above mentioned url in point 1.

3. I鈥檒l fill the form at this url and as explained take the print with the above mention documents.

4. With all the above documents and payment slip as mentioned , I need to take this to PF office near my address that is LAPA in S茫o Paulo city.

Question :-
1. Can I do an appointment for the visit, I didn鈥檛 find this option to do in this site for resid锚ncia?
2. I need to fill two complete different form for me and my wife. Right ?
3. To do the payments, do I need to mention something or just pay by code two time for me and my wife.
4. With the protocol can I leave brazil for a vacation and come back in a month or two? Will immigration will allow me to enter brazil with that protocol or should I wait for plastic card before leaving brazil for a vacation ?

I鈥檒l start the process for preparing documents and more queries will come to help me and others.

Thanks 馃槉

abthree Brazil Expert

6453POSTS

5 years ago

meet_me_india wrote:
4. With all the above documents and payment slip as mentioned , I need to take this to PF office near my address that is LAPA in S茫o Paulo city.

Question :-
1. Can I do an appointment for the visit, I didn鈥檛 find this option to do in this site for resid锚ncia?
2. I need to fill two complete different form for me and my wife. Right ?
3. To do the payments, do I need to mention something or just pay by code two time for me and my wife.
4. With the protocol can I leave brazil for a vacation and come back in a month or two? Will immigration will allow me to enter brazil with that protocol or should I wait for plastic card before leaving brazil for a vacation ?

1. I'm not sure what the procedure at Lapa was before the pandemic, but it's certainly different now.听 Your best bet is to call them and ask them how to proceed.
2. Yes, you are each applying, so I believe that you need two applications.听 You want to do everything together, though, at the same time.
3. If I remember correctly, you pay by code, and after that, all you need is your proof of payment for each application.
4. Ask听 the Federal Police about this when you apply.听 The answer will certainly be affected by whatever border closures are in effect when you receive your Protocolos.听 If they say anything less reassuring than, "Yes, no problem!", I wouldn't risk it -- I'd wait for the card.

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meet_me_india Active member

37POSTS

5 years ago

Thanks Abthree, I will follow your instruction, meanwhile I have started preparation of documents and going to ask some doubts regarding documents preparation as per mentioned , so that I can be ready with all documents.

Regarding no 3 in the document list - "Declara莽茫o de endere莽o eletr么nico e demais meios de contato (anexo XIX da Portaria Interministerial n潞
3/2018), preferencialmente acompanhada de c贸pia simples de comprovante de resid锚ncia; ", they have a mentioned to fill the form. What should I need to do ? Just take a print for this page, fill the details and do a conhecimento do assinatura ?

Regarding no 7听 in the document list
"Certid玫es de antecedentes criminais ou documento equivalente emitido pela autoridade judicial
competente de onde tenha residido nos 煤ltimos cinco anos;", I have 2 doubts, as I have explained that I have CRNM valid till sept 2020,听 do I need to get the criminal certificate from my country INDIA, if yes I will get that in English here in embassy at SP.
a) Since this certificate from INDIA will be in ENGLISH, I think that I need to apostile it under HAUGE convention in BRAZIL itself,听 post a translation with SWORN translator in SP, Brazil.
b) For criminal record certificate in Brazil , I need to go through to generate it online and it will be valid ?

Hope this post is too longer for the two documents doubts. I will stop here, and make next post for other documents doubts.
Thanks for your wonderful support听

meet_me_india Active member

37POSTS

5 years ago

Continuing with the above post..

Regarding no 8 in document list "Declara莽茫o, sob as penas da lei, de aus锚ncia de antecedentes criminais em qualquer pa铆s, nos cinco anos anteriores 脿 data da solicita莽茫o de autoriza莽茫o de resid锚ncia;" What I need to do is take a print of fill the data and do the conhecimento do assinatura, right ?

Regarding no 11 in document list Declara莽茫o, sob as penas da lei, de que o familiar chamante reside no Brasil; What should I need to present for this point.

Regarding no 12 in document list Documentos que comprovem a depend锚ncia econ么mica, quando for o caso; Here do I need to prove this ?

Regarding no 13 in document list 听 Comprovante do v铆nculo de uni茫o est谩vel entre o requerente e o brasileiro ou imigrante benefici谩rio de autoriza莽茫o de resid锚ncia; What document I can provide here ?

Regarding no 14 in document list Declara莽茫o conjunta dos c么njuges ou companheiros, sob as penas da lei, a respeito da continuidade de efetiva uni茫o e conviv锚ncia; Here they provided a Do I need to fill it and I don't understand in last line of this document says "Assinatura da testemunha (reconhecida por semelhan莽a ou autenticidade) " ? I am confused here.

Regarding no 15 in document list documentos que comprovem a tutela, curatela ou guarda de brasileiro, quando for o caso. I think this will not be in my case, right ? I do not need this document.

Thats all. Thanks for everyone to help here.. Once I have all clarification done and my document is ready I will post detail of what document i have prepared before going to Policia Federal.

abthree Brazil Expert

6453POSTS

5 years ago

#10

No. 3 -- proof of address is an electric bill, a water bill, a telephone or Internet bill, a boleto for your rent or condominium payment, a lease:听 any document that shows your name or your spouse's name, and your current address.听 "C贸pia simples" means that the copy does not need to be authenticated in a cart贸rio.听 You just need to show them the original, and leave a copy for their files.

No. 7.听 If you have not left Brazil since you applied for your current CRNM, the Pol铆cia Federal may still accept your original criminal background check from India:听 I would ask about that before obtaining a new one, unless they're easy to obtain.听
For the Brazilian federal background check, the site you reference looks correct.听 You'll also need a background check for the State of S茫o Paulo:听 Google "Antecidentes criminais S茫o Paulo" to find the equivalent site for the state.听 It should also be available online.

abthree Brazil Expert

6453POSTS

5 years ago

#11

No. 8听 Yes -- it can't听 hurt.

No. 11 -- Your child is an infant:听 the birth certificate should be sufficient, with your proof of address.

No. 12 -- Your child is an infant:听 the PF will assume that s/he is your dependent.听 No further documents should be necessary.

No. 13 -- N/A听 You're not applying on the basis of a stable union.

No. 14 -- N/A Same as #13

No. 15 -- the birth certificate is all the proof you'll need

When dealing with the Pol铆cia Federal, the objective is always to answer all of their questions, and not to raise any new questions.听 Handing over documents that do not apply to your case can cause someone to ask, "why are they giving us this?", and slow down the process until they get an answer.听 I've always had good results by presenting exactly the documents requested, and holding any extra documents in reserve to present if requested, and to not mention them otherwise.听 If they ask for a document you don't have, make sure to understand exactly what they want, then get it and bring it back to them.

meet_me_india Active member

37POSTS

5 years ago

#12

Yesterday, I went to PF Lapa Sao Paulo office to see if they are working normal and to discuss if they are processing the residency as in the site it was written only emergency services.
I explained them and they gave me list of document as same as the above documentation URL, and ask me to come directly with the kid and they will make my entry as preferencial.
I am preparing documentation, as some difficulties to get the Antecedentes Criminais na base de dados do IIRGD for SP, as I have CRNM the 听 is not accepting it. Can pls guide me how can I get this as describe above the Antecedentes Criminais for the Sao Paulo state ?

abthree Brazil Expert

6453POSTS

5 years ago

#13

I just went to the request form.听 Please see this note:

"Importante: Preencha todos os campos exatamente como se encontram na sua Carteira de Identidade (RG).
O d铆gito de controle, ap贸s o N煤mero do RG, 茅 de preenchimento obrigat贸rio. Se na sua Carteira de Identidade n茫o constar o d铆gito de controle ap贸s o N煤mero do RG, informamos que, os servi莽os de emiss玫es presenciais est茫o suspensos em virtude do Decreto Estadual 64789/20 (Calamidade P煤blica). Excepcionalmente, o I.I.R.G.D. oferecer谩 o servi莽o via e-mail em algumas situa莽玫es, as quais poder茫o ser informadas atrav茅s do link abaixo fale conosco"

You'll need to send them an email through the link on the form, since the CRNM number has a different format from the RG.

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meet_me_india Active member

37POSTS

5 years ago

#14

Yes Abthree, I did send this email to them requesting the document. It's more than a week and I am waiting a reply from them.

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meet_me_india Active member

37POSTS

5 years ago

#15

Hi abthree and Robal,

I got the criminal certificate from sao Paolo state too. I have asked for PCC from Indian embassy which told will take one month is it will come from India. Do you think if the Indian PCC will be mandatory even I have valid crnm and didn't left Brazil since I entered.

Another point, do I need to translate my passport to Portuguese? If yes first and last page right?
Somewhere I have read that I need to get a authenticated copy of passport ( all pages) from cart贸rio? Is that right?

abthree Brazil Expert

6453POSTS

5 years ago

#16

Unless you've been in Brazil for five or more unbroken years,听 you'll still need your Indian PCC; even if you have, the Federal Police may still require it.
You should not need to have your passport translated:听听this is the one big exception to the rule on Sworn Translations.听 In spite of this, people occasionally have reported here that translations were demanded.
You will, however, need to provide a copy of the complete passport,听 not just the ID page.听 Check the PF checklist regarding the passport:听 if it doesn't say "c贸pia autenticada", assume that they'll accept a normal copy.听 You can always have it authenticated after the fact if they insist.

meet_me_india Active member

37POSTS

5 years ago

#17

Thanks then I'll wait for the Indian PCC which I have applied and they told it will take a month to 45 days. Not sure if the time permits as my CRNM expired on 30 sep.

Regarding passport thanks for information, I have all page copies ready for passport. Just was thinking for authentication in cart贸rio. I'll read the instructions again and then will take only what they demand.

meet_me_india Active member

37POSTS

5 years ago

#18

Today I received my Police clearance certificate from embassy after a two long month of wait.

Just a question as the document has both English and Portuguese for clearance. Still do I need to do HAIA apostile or something as it has been issued from S茫o Paulo Indian consulate.

I鈥檒l post all the details as soon I鈥檒l be visiting PF lapa S茫o Paulo with all documents.

abthree Brazil Expert

6453POSTS

5 years ago

#19

meet_me_india wrote:
Today I received my Police clearance certificate from embassy after a two long month of wait.

Just a question as the document has both English and Portuguese for clearance. Still do I need to do HAIA apostile or something as it has been issued from S茫o Paulo Indian consulate.

I鈥檒l post all the details as soon I鈥檒l be visiting PF lapa S茫o Paulo with all documents.

Since it was issued by the Consulate and is in both English and Portuguese,听 I would present it as-is.

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stanza51 VIP Member

283POSTS

5 years ago

#20

What Ab3 has said is absolutely correct!!! Ab3 is a rockstar!!!

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abthree Brazil Expert

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5 years ago

#21

stanza51

Nice to see you back again!

meet_me_india Active member

37POSTS

5 years ago

#22

All my document is ready along with PF online form and GRU paid today only.
I鈥檓 planning to go tomorrow morning with family and all documents. One doubt, will it take time to reflect GRU boleto to be paid or should I need to wait some days ?

abthree Brazil Expert

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5 years ago

#23

meet_me_india wrote:
All my document is ready along with PF online form and GRU paid today only.
I鈥檓 planning to go tomorrow morning with family and all documents. One doubt, will it take time to reflect GRU boleto to be paid or should I need to wait some days ?

If you have the receipt for payment of the GRU, they'll accept that.听 The payment probably already shows up in their system, however.听 Good luck!

Californian.in.SP Active member

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5 years ago

#24

meet_me_india wrote:
All my document is ready along with PF online form and GRU paid today only.
I鈥檓 planning to go tomorrow morning with family and all documents. One doubt, will it take time to reflect GRU boleto to be paid or should I need to wait some days ?

I've been reading your thread. Do you have any updates? I'm just curious.