Brainstorm With Jason So He and His Girlfriend Can Stay in Ecuador
We don't have enough information yet, Jason, to guide you toward the right class of permanent residency visa.
There's a professional visa.聽 Do you have skills that might classify you as a desired professional worker in Ecuador....
As Top Cat mentioned, investment is welcomed by Ecuador.聽 For that type of visa, you would need a minimum investment of $25,000 in real estate or a bank CD, and your girlfriend may or may not qualify as a dependent for an additional investment of $500.
A pensioner visa calls for a minimum monthly income of $800 for the primary visa seeker from a dependable source such as Social Security, an annuity or a private pension.
At least theoretically, an alternative for those who want to live primarily in Ecuador is to arrive annually on a 90-day tourist visa, get the extension visa of up to 180 days, and live outside EC for a few months before repeating.
The usual disclaimers apply:聽 (1) Visa rules are subject to change and to different interpretations.聽 (2) Top Cat and I are not familiar with any special rules that apply to Filipina passport holders.
The official Ministry (or Cancilleria) website is cancilleria.gob.ec ... and when working properly, it has a functioning English-language option to help explain visa regs.
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You may want to avoid the Philippines on your way to Ecuador, since you are not married the hassles she could have at the airport are unknown, numerous and frustrating.聽 Check out the Philippines 大咖福利影院 for more info.聽 In addition you spoke of how nice it will be to get out of the tropics.聽 You may want to discuss that idea with your girlfriend, as the nighttime lows in the 40's with no heating systems in the mountains may not be too comfortable.聽 I say this with 20 years of being married to a Filipina from Ilocos Sur who thinks Baguio is cold.聽 I did extensive searches and only located one Filipina in all of Ecuador, living in Quito.聽 It was of great help for my wife when she came to the USA to meet Filipino families while blending in to a new culture.聽 Of course Filipinas are famous for being able to adapt to living conditions all over the world, as evidenced by over a million currently living and working in Saudi Arabia.
Good Luck in your search!!!
I don鈥檛/won鈥檛 qualify for a professional visa with any particular skills. I鈥檓 43 and self-employed. I only have airline industry experience and don鈥檛 wish to re-enter the corporate workforce, so we can take the kind of visa that relates to employment off the table.
I鈥檓 probably going to want to stay at least 12 months, perhaps 24 before deciding whether I want to spend $25k on real estate or CD. I don鈥檛 have the cash for another year, though I could get the cash from my home equity on my condo if I really wanted to. But I鈥檇 rather avoid that. Investment won鈥檛 be something I鈥檒l try first. It鈥檚 a good question though, if I eventually go this route鈥攚ill she qualify as a dependent.
We like to travel and want to spend at least 1-2 months in Asia anyway, so yes, in theory, we could arrive each year for 90 days then get the 180 day extension visa (if the rules don鈥檛 change). But . . . what exactly is this extension? I wasn鈥檛 even aware of it so now you鈥檝e piqued my curiosity. Is there a name for it (other than 180 day visa extension)? Is it easy to obtain? What are the requirements? Hopefully not much more than just a fee.
When we get there, we鈥檇 have to find out what special rules might apply to Filipino visa holders. Any idea where we go to inquire once we鈥檙e there? I mean an office not a web site (though I鈥檒l check out the web site as well)
mugtech: thanks for the heads up on that but she鈥檚 been out of the Philippines for a while now. We were questioned my immigration, but while it was no big deal for us, as you said, the 鈥渦nknown鈥 can happen and we don鈥檛 want to risk having a silly issue cost of thousands of dollars in lost tickets, etc. Your advice is sound and we鈥檙e not going back there prior to Ecuador. So she鈥檚 planning to visit family next Christmas instead. Good point about the weather, though we have talked about it and having spent December & January in Chiang Mai is great preparation, as it can get down to the uppers 40s at night. She loves it. And as you say, yes, Filipinos are adaptable and live all over the world. As long as there is heat in the apartment in Quito, we鈥檒l be fine. Probably won鈥檛 be camping in the mountains if that鈥檚 what you mean. Or are you saying most apartments don鈥檛 have heat? And really, only one Filipino living in Ecuador? How long ago was that? I wasn鈥檛 expecting a community of Filipinos but hopefully she can connect with a few
JasonDC wrote:As long as there is heat in the apartment in Quito, we鈥檒l be fine. Probably won鈥檛 be camping in the mountains if that鈥檚 what you mean. Or are you saying most apartments don鈥檛 have heat? And really, only one Filipino living in Ecuador? How long ago was that? I wasn鈥檛 expecting a community of Filipinos but hopefully she can connect with a few
I am sure someone from Quito or Cuenca can give you a better idea of the home heating situation in rentals, since you will be renting for at least a year.聽 You could enjoy organic heat for sure.聽 I did my search 18 months ago and asked questions on many blogs, even got International Living Magazine involved, and they came up with the one.聽 Since Ecuador is 95% Catholic perhaps the Catholic churches would be a good place to start once you are there.聽 If you are familiar with the Catholic Mass you might want to attend so you can hear the Spanish version of words you already know in English.聽 Religion and politics are forbidden on here, so please realize I am only mentioning the church as a way to meet people and improve your language skills.
JasonDC wrote:Is there a name for it (other than 180 day visa extension)? Is it easy to obtain? What are the requirements? Hopefully not much more than just a fee.
It's the 12-IX tourist visa.聽 As a tourist visa, the requirements are less than for a permanent visa, but any encounter with the EC bureaucracy can be a challenge*.聽 Anecdotal reports on the Internet indicate that it has usually been granted upon proper application.聽 Expect a fee of several hundred dollars.
This visa extension is discussed in an 大咖福利影院 online guide聽 reachable via a link that Top Cat provided in her earlier post #504 responding to you at New Members.聽 This guide may answer some of your other questions, as well.
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*Using an experienced immigration attorney in EC for complex visa matters is recommended for those whose Spanish is limited, who prefer to avoid massive bureaucratic headaches and who can afford it.聽 The basic fee I paid to my attorney to obtain my residency visa and cedula (EC ID) last year was $700.聽 Non-attorney visa specialists, with lower fees, are also available but may require you to do more of the work on your own.
JasonDC wrote:When we get there, we鈥檇 have to find out what special rules might apply to Filipino visa holders. Any idea where we go to inquire once we鈥檙e there? I mean an office not a web site.
Two building addresses in Quito -- one for handling immigrant visas, one for non-immigrant visas -- are listed at the U.S. Embassy website link below:
ecuador.usembassy.gov(forward-slash)service(forward-slash)living-in-ecuador(forward-slash)visas-for-ecuador.html
Good advice on lawyers and non-attorney visa specialists. I think we鈥檇 try to go with one or the other to assist with the residency.
Thanks for the addresses and the responses cccmedia.
JasonDC wrote:Based on the link mugcat posted, it looks like my girlfriend won鈥檛 get the 12-IX without leaving the country but I could, so it means we鈥檇 have to leave the country. No big deal....Good advice on lawyers and non-attorney visa specialists. I think we鈥檇 try to go with one or the other to assist with the residency.
Thanks for the addresses and the responses cccmedia.
That's a wise move in your case to get an expert to assist you going forward, Jason.
Thank you for the acknowledgment, I appreciate it.聽
However, please stop torturing mugtech and Top Cat* by unintentionally combining their names. 
*aka gardener1
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So it really seems like it's going to be difficult to stay permanently (unless I'm willing to drop $25k). I don't see--yet--a better option than going to a student visa for the first 6 months, then we will have to try our luck with the 12-IX visa, but with my girlfriend we'll have to exit to have a chance. We don't seem to have much choice but hope for the best, and perhaps pay a lawyer to try to help make it happen, with fingers crossed.
cccmedia wrote:However, please stop torturing mugtech and Top Cat* by unintentionally combining their names.
*aka gardener1
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Mugcat is the name of our child, don't know how he found out, it was our secret.
I hardly ever use them, although the one in the dining area is great during the occasional cold snap.聽 Warms the place up in a few minutes and then automatically cuts off.
I can't remember the last time I needed the one in the bedroom.聽 Between the heavy drapes and double-pane glass (which I put in to reduce street noise, which it did) the MBR is supremely insulated.
Electric bills are a joke.
Wintertime electricity at the house I owned in Connecticut, USA, cost hundreds per month.聽 Here it's usually under ten dollars.
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I have to imagine space heaters would boost the electric bill quite a lot though if used daily. But I guess as long as we can keep electric under $50 I'll be happy.
JasonDC wrote:Wow, unbelievable! $10 per month for electricity?...
I assume this means you cook with gas, not electricity, which is something I look forward to as well.
I have to imagine space heaters would boost the electric bill quite a lot though if used daily. But I guess as long as we can keep electric under $50 I'll be happy.
Then you should be more than happy, Jason.
Actually, all my cooking is with electricity...no gas.聽 There's no oven:聽 I use a two-burner countertop unit for my "sartenes" plus a George Foreman-style grill (tho' not George's brand, a local brand instead and it works great.)聽 I also use a microwave oven and occasionally a juicer.
I run the automatic dishwasher about once every five or six days.
I use the space heater in the "comedor" so infrequently -- and the one in the bedroom virtually never -- so they don't much impact the bill.聽 YMMV, due to insulation, usage time of equipment, how much sun and heat enter your place during the day and are retained, as examples.
Of course, there's no air conditioning needed here, which I am aware can be a major part of the electric bill during most of the year in northern Thailand.
cccmedia in Quito聽 --聽 yes, under ten bucks a month for electricity
Not paying much for electric is going to leave more money for fast internet, which I'm eager to make sure I get and am willing to pay for. Anyone have any experience with CNT? I was thinking of getting their 10/3mbps (download/upload) package for $36 per month and maybe getting something with roughly comparable speed for backup. Any thoughts?
JasonDC wrote:I plan to get a place with gas if I can.
Relatively few apartments in Quito have central gas, most use propane for hot water and stove/oven. I think the gas heaters sold in hardware stores are also propane. You will have to arrange (your landlord can help) for delivery of new canisters.
My second apartment, in north Quito, had central gas service for the whole complex, and my landlady emphasized this when I was looking at the place, as a major advantage over other buildings.
JasonDC wrote:Not paying much for electric is going to leave more money for fast Internet, which I'm eager to make sure I get....Anyone have any experience with CNT? I was thinking of getting their 10/3mbps (download/upload) package for $36 per month and maybe getting something with roughly comparable speed for backup.
Arranging for good Internet:聽 a natural subject of interest for arriving Expats.
In fact, this topic is potentially so juicy that we're setting up a new thread to discuss it amidst a wider audience, titled "Internet for Expats:聽 2015 Updates."
For those leading a geek-free existence, the best way to navigate over there is to type the first words of the new thread into the Search 大咖福利影院 box at the top of this page, and then click on the search icon to the right of said box.
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