Hello
Im hoping that I can chat with people here in Marrakech about their experiences.
Cheers.
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However, that will come at a price. You would need to be present on the premises for virtually 24 hours a day to ensure that you are not cheated by your staff and that they don't steal you out of house and home. This is inevitable and you will lose a lot of money through fraud and theft. Eventually you will find people you might be able to trust more or less.
By the way, has any one of your contacts or "friends" in Marrakech told you that the bottom is crashing out of the property market? This is just about the worst time to be investing there.
Shahbazkazmi wrote:Hi Melinda
I am Shabz I have been working as a concierge for last 18 years currently working in London canar wharf area I just got engaged to a lovely girl in Rabat I am thinking to move to Morocco in near future and hope to find a work there if you interested please feel free to get intouch I can provide you references thanks
You are extremely unlikely to get any job in Morocco. As a foreigner, you need to be authorised by the Anapec (the government's employment quango) who must certify you as having a skill and ability that no Moroccan at all has before you can work. As a concierge, you have absolutely no chance at all.
Melinda Dobbs wrote:Thanks Shabaz. I will keep that in mind, congratulations on your engagement.
Hi Melinda.
Do you have any ideas about the labour laws in Morocco? You will not be able to employ him.
SvenStockholm wrote:I wish you success.
However, that will come at a price. You would need to be present on the premises for virtually 24 hours a day to ensure that you are not cheated by your staff and that they don't steal you out of house and home. This is inevitable and you will lose a lot of money through fraud and theft. Eventually you will find people you might be able to trust more or less.
If you don't start putting on rose-tinted spectacles, and quick, you will meet the same fate as I and many did - Ban. We were a little too frank for our own good. Unfortunately it's not appreciated by neither members nor moderators, who judge us as nothing more than "miserable gits" who don't have anything better to say. I will put mine on so I will be viewed in a different light.
To the poster - No-one will cheat you! Fraud? Theft? In Morocco? I don't know what he is talking about(!)
Melinda Dobbs wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3009008/Marrakech-named-world-s-best-destination-TripAdvisor-London-ranks-sixth-Prague-Hanoi-New-York-fails-crack-ten.html
Just a few of the comments on that thread:
"We went to Marrakech last year as the first point on our tour of Morroco. It is awful. Non-stop hassle from locals, the kids were the worst. We very quickly learned that to make eye contact was fatal. We spent too days in Marrakech and then left. "
"Marrakech was horrid. I was in the exact souk that is in the first picture. Beggars, starving dogs, restaurant food covered in flies before you ordered it. Awful. But the people were great!"
"Continual beggars that won't take no for an answer and that follow you around can spoil a trip."
"I went to Marrakech for 4 days and I couldn't wait to leave; I felt unsafe, it's dirty and we were hustled everywhere we went because everyone is so aggressive. Have fun with that."
Melinda Dobbs wrote:I'm sorry you had that experience. I have never felt unsafe. I have never been really hassled. Once I say no and keep walking they leave me alone. I have also never been sick here. As I always say, I can sick anywhere in the world, including a five star restaurant. It happens.
4 visits isn't enough to reach an accurate conclusion. Maybe things will be different & clearer to you by the 10th visit or so. Some people who relocate there, end up moving back. That's because they didn't have enough time during their visits to see everything, and only realize things later on when they have more time. I came across a lot of people who come back from the country, and want to settle there because they loved it. Or so they thought. When they settle down, and the time comes to get serious, they see it very differently when they have to start dealing with important issues, needless to say.
Melinda Dobbs wrote:Thank you all for your supportive posts. Somehow I don't think this is the forum for me as it seems that non expats are members. Not sure that an expat forum is for people not actually living in Marrakech or Morocco.
That's because they returned back after realizing things are not the same as it is when you're on holiday. Which is obvious to anyone who prepares and doesn't do things based on how they are treated, but many fail to see it until it's too late. Good-luck.
I have been reading and there are some opinions extremely extreme...
1: the enterprise needs to post an advertisement in a journal requiring for the an employee and the post.
2 It should be for a month but into the 15 days later you as entrepreneur can go to ANAPEC with the cv of the person you have chosen. Yes there is a law, but they know how to jump over it.... like anyone else in their own country.... In the requirements you can precise exactly something that the person "is able to" or "has" ...and noone else has... for example: could be in experienced, could be in languages, could be in courses.... just a little detail can make the person be employed.
3. ANAPEC will check it and will require you the reasons.
4. ANAPEC will accept or reject
Melinda Dobbs wrote:I'm sorry you sound so bitter. I'm quite sure that my last few months living here has been a useful indication to how life is here in Marrakech. Thanks for your input after your spending just a few short days in this beautiful exotic city.
A few days? God, you have a lot to learn. You're coming from the other-side of the world, don't have anything in common with Morocco, from a well-known wealthy nation, white, and judged to be rich. It's obvious you're going to get treated "nicely". Some people don't even know why they get treated like that, until they hit upon disaster, and find out the answer the hard way. As I said - for the second time - goodluck. You clearly will be needing a lot of it.
Your failure to see that people in poor countries are going to cheat you rotten augurs ill for your proposed business. This happens to rich, white people all over the world. That you think that everyone is genuine and "nice" is a huge handicap to your being able to make any money at all from your venture.
In the developing country I lived in before, there was an acceptance that lying, especially to make money, is nothing to be ashamed of, it's actually part of the culture. It's even more acceptable to lie to infidels like us and cheat them. I am coming to live in Morocco in just over a month. I've researched the threads here as well as on other sites and this is a far worse problem in Morocco. I preface all of my questions on the forum with a demand that locals who have just joined don't bother to offer "help". They simply want to "help" me pour money into their pockets. Please start off with the attitude that you don't believe a thing you are told until you can verify that it is true. And even then check it out properly. If you don't do this, you are heading to an enormous fall.
Why are the people selling the riad to you? Can't they make it work? Are their employees cheating them? Is it in a bad area? Have you seen the independently audited books? How much income did they generate last year? How much was profit? Do you feel easy with the employees?
Please step back for a moment and ask some serious questions. Ask them of yourself too.
Melinda Dobbs wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3009008/Marrakech-named-world-s-best-destination-TripAdvisor-London-ranks-sixth-Prague-Hanoi-New-York-fails-crack-ten.html
For goodness sake. This article from a trashy UK newspaper says nothing about property prices. Did you think that I would not know about its reputation because I am Swedish? I am telling you that house prices are falling all over Morocco, especially in Marrakech and Agadir. You are buying at exactly the wrong time. Why are the people selling you the riad getting rid of it? They want to cut their losses, it's clear.
Speak to other Riad owners who will be only too pleased to help and advise over a glass if mint tea. Time to network. Knock on doors, search the internet. There are many others that have been through the process.
Its not all doom and gloom as many successful Riad owners will testify.
I do hope things work out for you.
Thanks for your advice. I will be doing all of that this week. Cheers.
DougElliott wrote:Its not all doom and gloom as many successful Riad owners will testify.
It isn't. But I bet every single one of those successful riad owners got heavily ripped off at the start and if they hadn't opened their eyes, would have lost everything.
As for the comments from the OP. "Racist"? No realist. You need to wise up.
The owners are divorcing? Well, that's an auspicious start.
As for a bad experience in Morocco, I haven't been there yet. But I can see that it's going to be similar to my other couple of placements, actually, probably even more extreme.
I don't usually post on these discussions, but wanted to add some positivity in here.
I've been living in Marrakech for 6 months. Yes there are negatives and yes there are positives. Such is life. We all move here to get something different - that is what we achieve.
I had been here merely once before I moved, years ago. I do not think that makes me unqualified to judge if it was the best decision or not. People have always moved across the world on whims, with ideas in their heads of what to expect. It may not always work like this, but as I said. Such is life.
Business will be difficult for you here. Of course it will. It always is, but especially as you will be operating in a whole new realm of business theory. So you'll learn. It may fail, hopefully not. But you have to try.
In terms of doing things 'by the books'....that means nothing in Morocco. This website is full of people saying it is impossible to work or to hire people that do not have the paperwork. I am not giving advice in any way, but the reality is that many foreigners work anyway and leave the country every 3 months to renew their visa. This is known by the authorities, and is generally fine. People do it for years.
So good luck in your adventures. And let's please all remember, migrants have been part of the global community forever. Lets get off our elite 'expat' pedestal and appreciate what our new homes have to offer.
SvenStockholm wrote:DougElliott wrote:Its not all doom and gloom as many successful Riad owners will testify.
As for the comments from the OP. "Racist"? No realist. You need to wise up.
Talking of racism...Tell that to the Sub-Saharan Africans who regularly get beaten up and treated disgracefully in Morocco simply for being black. Absolutely disgusting what I saw first hand.
I suppose she is not doing this if she hadn't have a lawyer. This is the first, who can guide her.
I am not going to talk about if u racist or not cos I cant judge no one but what you are doing is attacking continuously this country and its people. I am not sure about the purpose...whiich makes me think a lot since it seems you have never been here.
We have different cultures , that's right....that people could cheat ...that's right....that is what has been happening in Europe with the price of everything...."speculation" and u can see the results.
There are many people from abroad working here....it is not easy ..sure...but not impossible.
Just choose a good lawyer...and ask also in case of divorce if they can sell and if it is going to affect you ...firstly cos could be possible that it belongs to one....and the other could have part and requires it......and second both are partners both can sell.
Once you have it ....incha allah, just simply get in contact with tourism companies.....in this sense I can help you cos I know some of them.... maybe you could deal with them for package of whatever....for the future...
So, stay positive....which is the best way to start....listen the advices ....and just pay attention to all around this business u are going to start.
good luck and god bless your new project.
A kind reminder that the initiator's post is to gather people's experiences they have had in Marrakech.
Some of the messages are going off topic. There seem to be personal attack or judgemental comments.
Let's all respect each other here and contribute positively on this discussion.
Thanks & Regards
Mishna
so.... then??? what did you say????? please....you judge very quickly....what do you know about us????? that we are Europeans???? Australians???.....and???? please....
good luck
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