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MarcDeSmetBE wrote:

I just renewed my KITAS for the third time. I paid 7.5 million, which I hope is a reasonable price.
My visa agent says I can switch to KITAP next year. This would be valid for 5 years. She asks 40 million for this.

If I check on the internet I think the cost for KITAP for immigration is around 3.700.000. Is that correct?
My visa agent says the price is because of the sponsor. I am not married to an Indonesian wife , so I need a sponsor. But 40 million ???

I live in Bali. Does someone have s good solution for this?

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Marc

For @OP
There are more grease involved, and more departments to cover in Kitap. You are paying a premium not because the agent is expert. There is no expertise involved here. It is just who the agent knows and how to expedite the matters.

There are less requirement in Kitas. So less cost for you eventually.
It will become easier and more straightforward in the future. The trend is going there, from the top up in the President office directives. There will be major changes this year and beyond on passports, driving license, identity and certificates.

However if assurance security to stay in Indonesia is priority for you due to no sponsor or lack of requirements that can be properly given, you are advised to do longer and pay a premium.

For your information, agents in Jakarta they do Kitas for 5.5 million and Kitap from 25 million onwards. As a comparison only. For you still need to apply at the nearest residence to work it out.

enduringword wrote:

For @OP
It will become easier and more straightforward in the future. The trend is going there, from the top up in the President office directives. There will be major changes this year and beyond on passports, driving license, identity and certificates.

For your information, agents in Jakarta they do Kitas for 5.5 million and Kitap from 25 million onwards. As a comparison only. For you still need to apply at the nearest residence to work it out.

Dear enduringword,

This may be presumptuous, but it sounds like you're 'in the know' about matters currently close to my heart,聽 e.g.

My original KITAS agent wants to charge the same amount for my first renewal as the original application (15.5m) - I'd like to meet those Jakarta agents you say are charging 5.5 juta (mine is retirement visa, not married). Must the original sponsor be used or, as the visa expires, does the sponsorship also? Or, is this a further opportunity for blackmail by preventing me from shopping around?

My recent purchase of a car (deposit paid 22 April) and final settlement 2nd May, yet the car will not have STNK and be delivered until about 16th May. Such a long winded process must cost this country billions in lost time and strangled commerce. Pity the suffering of a small business owner would encounter while trying to update a commercial fleet.

I could go on, about obtaining a car license to supplement my (existing) motor cycle licence, etc., but I'm sure you get the picture.

Anyway, that's my rant for today.聽 I look forward to your feedback re the KITAS sponsor query and Jakarta agents.聽 If confidentiality is an issue, I'll gladly provide my HP number for a text response.

Regards,
Geoff

Ubudian wrote:

There is still one problem here鈥�that being how on earth is the OP going to get a KITAP without a licensed visa agent as his sponsor?聽 Note, the OP (Marc) is not married to an Indonesian.

He isn't.
The DIY route is excellent for those married to an Indonesian, but others are going to need an agent.
Whilst my advice about DIY remains in place, it can't apply to non married foreigners such as the posters on this thread.

No contact with non approved "People who can help" is of the slightest use.

I'll be wandering up to an immigration office in a week or so for further information and trying to build up a contact or two regarding this issue as my mother is considering moving over here on a retirement visa.
I have a pretty good relationship with the officers over there, so I'm hoping to get put in touch with the best people.
Should I be successful, I'll be happy to help anyone in need by giving them the contact details of approved agents they can trust to be fair and reasonable.
This can only be done by PM as passing contact details over the open forums could be a problem for the agents concerned.

Gwazulu wrote:

I just did it. I was sponsored by my wife. Collected my KITAP yesterday. My wife is out of the country and I collected it yesterday went to Polda and then to went to Dispenduk alone and with limited Bahasa.
Yes it is doable.
No it does not take any longer. The way to circumvent that is not to mail it to jakarta. Go yourself hand it in and go pick it up when its done.I took the train overnight, go-Jek to Immigration and flew back. Got home by 6pm.

hello Gwazulu,
I congratulate you on your efforts to do it yourself on Kitap. It is indeed an achievement. And not many are willing to try because of the many steps involved.

If you dont mind, sharing it on creating a new thread on forum.
You can write title such as My DIY Do It Yourself Kitap Process. (Spousal Visa).

I think it will be a great asset for many here in forum.
Taking details on:
~ which window or place address you go to.
~ papers submitted, and any forms filled and name.
~ length of time in between and steps 1 to 10 process.
~ fees payment for any of the steps
~ transport fees is just a side note only

It will be your own great account. And it will be a reference point for others in what is similar and difference for the future.

Cheers

Ubudian wrote:

It would really help this forum a GREAT deal if respondents to posts limit their replies to the specific question, or issue raised by the original poster..

There have been many off topic posts on this and other threads.
As this is becoming a problem in so much as these posts are hiding the information the OP needs, all future such posts will be removed.

Edo1972 wrote:

See here some explanations about pricing.

indonesiaexpat......

link wrote:

Many documents are needed for a legally safe and sound stay in remarkable Indonesia. That leads to a lot of confusion, misinterpretations, misunderstandings and even urban myths.

The talk of business visas means little here because the employer should do that for the expat, the expat only supplying documents and signing as required. An employer might well wish to use an agent, but the employee has no need to bother.

As for those married to an Indonesian, the KITAS/KITAP process is easy and straightforward, and does not cost anything even close to the Rp40 million mentioned

The "lot of confusion, misinterpretations, misunderstandings and even urban myths" turns into a list of documents required by immigration on their other page, a list immigration will supply free of charge when you apply without an agent.

link wrote:

GTW money, needed to grease the wheels of the system.
meals-grease-wheels-blog-4-7-09The money needed to grease the wheels of the system is not to be considered as bribery, as it is not money used to bribe the government employee to issue a certain permit, license or document. No it is money needed to be sure that the application process runs smooth

I would love an explanation of how money isn't a bribe, but is used to grease the wheels.

The real story goes like this.

A KITAS issued for someone intending to work for a company is looked after by that company, so the employee can forget the lot save supplying documents and signing a few forms.
The KITAS will only be issued after a work permit is granted, but that's also looked after by the employer, not the employee.
Basically, forget it.

A KITAS or KITAP for someone legally married to an Indonesian is an easy DIY job with no need for an agent or cash to grease and wheels. It takes a few weeks and several visits to immigration, but it's pretty simple and the list of required documents is clear and unambiguous, and immigration give it to you when you apply.

A retirement visa requires a sponsor, so people in that boat might very well be forced to pay more, but I strongly suggest shopping around.

Other documents are easily available, also DIY.

The SKTT (For KITAS holders) is easy, requiring very little paperwork except some photocopies, the hardest part being a letter from the local village head to prove you live there, and you have to do that yourself regardless of who your agent is.

The KTP (for KITAP holders) requires about the same documents as the SKTT.

The requirements are listed in the advice thread at the top of the Indonesia forum page.

One last thing ...

Government dues

LOD 400,000
Kitas 1.255.000
Merp 1,200,000
STM 50,000
SKTT 250,000
LK 200,000
Kitap 4,105,000
Merp 1,950,000
STM 50,000
KTP 700,000
SIM 700,000
Total 10,860,000

I added this up, and it does come to the suggested total, but they seem to be charging for a KITAS and KITAP, and an SKTT and a KTP, things that simply don't go together and twice for the STM.
It should also be noted, the MERP (They also add up twice)聽 isn't required, just an option.

SIM 700,000

Quite how they're going to legally supply a driving licence (SIM) without you there to take a test is a mystery; perhaps someone could offer an explanation. If you are there to take the test, why would you want to pay someone?

Hang on, the police report (STM) requires fingerprinting, so they can't really get that without you being there, so why pay them?

I'm less than sure about the prices and details, but I'm not infallible so an explanation from the agents might well clear things up.

The talk of business visas means little here because the employer should do that for the expat, the expat only supplying documents and signing as required

I intended to say, Working visas

Ubudian wrote:

The 40 million covers the KITAP for 5 years鈥�so the only fair comparison is what is the OP is paying each year for his one year KITAS (also with a sponsor/agent).聽 According to the OP, he just paid 7.5 juta to renew his KITAS for one year with his sponsor/agent.聽 聽

As I said earlier, if the OP is totally sure about being around here for the next five years, and also not knowing what KITAS visa renewals will cost each year over the next five years鈥�the 40 could work out to be a smart play鈥�not to mention convenient.聽 Frankly, I wouldn't bet on KITAS renewal costs remaining at the current levels for each of the next fives years.聽 聽

Just a quick note about agent sponsorship鈥�that being their legal responsibility for those they sponsor.聽 In other words, agents sponsoring expats are not without some potential legal/financial risk.聽 So, while on the surface it might appear that the sponsorship aspect of their fees is 鈥済reediness鈥� the real fact is, there is more than just a little legitimacy to their fees.聽 聽

To add a footnote to this conversation,聽 I processed my KITAS renewal this week.

The total cost imposed by Imigrasi was Rp.2.055.000, compared to agent quotes (for an unmarried applicant) ranging from US$600 to Rp.15.500.000.

Prominently displayed in the Imigrasi office is a banner declaring that dodgy KITAS recipients and their agent are liable to a fine of Rp.500.000.000 and/or 5 years in prison. This harks back to previous comments on this Forum about agents' risk and, therefore, justification for charging a fee above the basic Rp.2.055 juta fee聽 imposed by Imigrasi.

Perhaps an actuary or statistician could confirm that this agent 'premium' is justifiable, based on the likely proportion of 'dodgy' KITAS holders.