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I dont know what im doing but I want to leave

TGrizzle

im a 19 year old male in canada and I just want to go see the world, currently looking into working in Bali but i cant find any jobs that wouldnt take schooling for.. is there not somewhere I can apply for hotel or resort jobs? something touristy where my english is of use. Please any help is greatly appreciated.

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Fred

Get a degree, then look around.

It is possible without a degree, but you might be on dodgy legal ground.

Aidan in HCMC

@TGrizzle

Have you looked at working on ?

Resorts, such as ?

TGrizzle

@Fred

I wouldn't be opposed only I was really put off of school by both of my older siblings getting their degrees, not being able to find work in either of their fields and they are just in debt. But I guess there are jobs in other countries.

Lotus Eater

@Fred
I wouldn't be opposed only I was really put off of school by both of my older siblings getting their degrees, not being able to find work in either of their fields and they are just in debt. But I guess there are jobs in other countries. - @TGrizzle

A degree today is not what it was worth 20 years ago. I'm not sure about Canada but tuition and living expenses in the UK were gratis then courtesy of the UK taxpayer regardless of parentage income.


Many more graduates finishing their tertiary education on both sides of the atlantic are finding it increasingly challenging finding meaningful employment to justify an average of 3+ years of grind plus a debt hangover which for many will never be paid off.


Time to think outside the box rather than being held in awe on your parents  dinner party circuit.


Aidan's advice is sound if you want to see the world on the cheap. I would also consider learning a vocational trade that is future (AI) proof. For example a plumber or electrician - trades that are portable. Many UK plumbers now work in Spain servicing the English speaking expat community and make good money.. Moreover they decide when they want to work. I really don't know the size of the English speaking expat community in Bali but am sure that a western expat would find it easy to find work with a specific skillset. Naturally the work permit regs would have to be observed.

Fred

I can zeeypur point, but .any jobs that you  can do legally in Indonesia here require a degree

Lotus Eater

I can zeeypur point, but .any jobs that you can do legally in Indonesia here require a degree - @Fred

Most vocational trades as exampled above do not require a degree in Indonesia unless you are talking about specialist skills for high grade engineering/electrical jobs etc.  A diploma or relevant certificate and apprentice training are quite sufficient. Same as in UK which is a far more demanding country in terms of qualification requirements.

Fred

I can zeeypur point, but .any jobs that you can do legally in Indonesia here require a degree  - @Fred
Most vocational trades as exampled above do not require a degree in Indonesia unless you are talking about specialist skills for high grade engineering/electrical jobs etc. A diploma or relevant certificate and apprentice training are quite sufficient. Same as in UK which is a far more demanding country in terms of qualification requirements. - @Lotus Eater

True, but getting a visa to engage in one might be very difficult to get legally

Ryan_chaniago

@TGrizzle

Yeah, it’s kind of ironic 😄

Many Indonesians want to work in Canada, while you interested in Indonesia.


The main challenge is usually the visa & if you’re not a skilled worker, would you be willing to accept a low salary? In reality, many local workers in 3-star hotels & above already can speak English. So job opportunities are not judged by language alone, but also by the skills you bring.

Fred

The OP has to get the appropriate paperwork, and that should not be legally available if a local is available to do the work.

That takes away unskilled jobs.

wyngrove60

You are disillusioned with studying for a degree in Canada because your siblings haven't faired well after graduating. But then you choose Bali as the place you want to live.


I don't know what degrees your siblings have but that may be part of it, or they might just not come over as people that are easily employable. We don't know that. But why are you talking about moving to one of the most popular holiday destinations in the world? Why not choose Europe or somewhere else?


There are so many options. You could study an Asian language, Korean, Japanese, Mandarin. Look for scholarships to study in Asian countries. Yes study hospitality which gives you a chance to travel. Study a subject that gets you to work in oil and gas as that would let you work in different places around the world. Study to become an English teacher which would easily allow you to work in Asia. There are so many possible directions you could choose.


But saying you want to work in Bali is not the easiest thing to do. It's like what half the working population of the world dreams of doing.

Fred

But saying you want to work in Bali is not the easiest thing to do. It's like what half the working population of the world dreams of doing. - @wyngrove60

Bali is the one place in Indonesia I disliked. I only visited Kuta and other bits of the south, but mass tourism (especially the rubbish end of tourism) has absolutely ruined it.

Con men, 'young girl', drunks all over the place, and even drugs for sale on the street - Those parts of Bali are not recommended. I can't speak for the rest of the island.

As for living there, it's a dream that can very easily turn into a nightmare.

Lotus Eater

I flew into Jakarta on Wednesday evening and will be flying down to Bali on Monday. I will be staying in Ubud for 10 days during which time I will be taking an Indonesian language course. I have visited Ubud once before a few years back and loved it. Yes I would never stay in a place like Kuta which by the sound of things is the equivalent of Benidorm in Spain but with Aussie accents or perhaps Pattaya in Thailand before the sex industry discovered it. Like many places there are good and bad. I wonder if Bali was predominantly muslim would Kuta be the way it is?

SimCityAT

I wonder if Bali was predominantly muslim would Kuta be the way it is? - @Lotus Eater

  A Muslim-majority Bali would likely have prohibited or severely curtailed the sale of alcohol in public, particularly in open-air, high-traffic areas like Kuta Beach. The thriving nightclub scene would likely not exist in its current form.

Fred

A Muslim-majority Bali would likely have prohibited or severely curtailed the sale of alcohol in public, particularly in open-air, high-traffic areas like Kuta Beach. The thriving nightclub scene would likely not exist in its current form.
- @SimCityAT

Show me where you can buy LEGAL alcohol in the open air in Bali. The stuff is available in Jakarta in exactly the same way as it is in Bali. The only difference is that Bali has many more bars. They cater to tourists - Locals (except prostitutes and scam artists) avoid them as they are so expensive.

There are exceptions such as Aceh where it's illegal to sell booze, and a large number of other places where it's legal, but there's no market so nobody stocks it..

Bigotted assumptions are not helpful.

Ryan_chaniago

@Fred

That's right. For entry level jobs, there are still many locals available, even fresh graduates with no experience. I started from there too, low pay, learning a lot. Step by step, it led me to better opportunities & eventually I was able to continue my studies. Everyone has their own starting line.

The reason there aren’t many entry level jobs for foreigners is usually because local workers are available & employers prefer them for legal & cost reasons.

TGrizzle

@Lotus Eater

currently working as an apprentice in a mechanic shop, I dont love it but i could have that in a few years.

Fred

The reason there aren’t many entry level jobs for foreigners is usually because local workers are available & employers prefer them for legal & cost reasons. - @Ryan_chaniago

Local employers prefer them because they don't have to play with immigration,  not to mention pay immigration fees.

Immigration don't generally give visas because Indonesians come first.

Getting a job on the island of Bali is an unrealistic  dream for most.

Lotus Eater

@Lotus Eater
currently working as an apprentice in a mechanic shop, I dont love it but i could have that in a few years. - @TGrizzle

There are broadly two types of career paths: Manual (skilled & unskilled) & cerebral . To your credit you are only 19 yet working which is more that can be said for the million or so NEET's (Not In education,training or employment 19-25) in the UK most of whom are too bone idle to get off their backsides and are gaming the social security system using AI to get benefits paid for by hardworking tax payers. Sorry I digress.


Ironically in some ways its more difficult today to to get fixed employment overseas than it was in the 80's when I joined the workforce from University. Countries have tightened up work visa requirements and unless you have a position with a multi national corporation with worldwide offices or perhaps have joined your Govt's foreign office dept, its a challenge.


I worked in the advertising industry in my early years. Could not get a job in London as just not enough vacancies in advertising agencies for people with no experience. Wrote to some South African agencies at the suggestion of my fathers mixed doubles South african tennis partner at my local tennis club. No internet then took 5 days for mail to arrive and 5 to come back. Got a bite from two. Said if ever I'm in town drop in. Yeah right. Long story short I took a flyer into the country and turned up at a Cape Town agency sitting in front of the MD. How many Brits did that? USP - unique selling propsition is an ad word for doing something unique. He hired me on the spot. I was able to process my work visa from WITHIN the country. MD got his P.A (jeez she was gorgeous) to write me a letter for immigration. Could I do that now? No and Cape Town is not the sort of place you would want to live in today. It has a very high crime rate.(Yes I worked in the apartheid system but my Agency was liberal and employed coloureds in managerial roles).


TGrizzle being in your position I can identify with you in many ways. You are  naive - we all were at your age but you have the right attitude which I admire. You are a trainee motor mechanic and you say you don't love your job. I cannot see any point in you wasting years as an apprentice if thats the case. Moreover I'm not sure how the move to all electric vehicles over the coming ten years or so will affect demand for your particular skillset. Save up some money and travel . Australia I know offers temporary work permits for working age students under 30.


Long term though if you're a hands on guy you are going to need a skilled qualification. You don't want to be working in an Amazon 'fullfillment' centre at 50.


If you really wish to work in Bali you could try learning the language which might even  give you that USP ;)