Meralco 23 Apr to 22 May Bill

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5 years ago

Just received my latest Meralco Electric Bill, cost of my electric 9.81 kwh.

Bill also includes system loss of 4.14 %,聽聽(354 PHP added to my total bill.)

If system loss is actual systems loss, that's ok with me. If system loss is electric theft then it should not be dependent on a percentage of your bill. This cost should be spread evenly among users.

(Wise) Today Rate: One USD equals 48.005 PHP.

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Skip Scott Contributor

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5 years ago

I am also in Pasig. My cost (including tax, title & license鈥�) came to 9.79/kWh (my bill was from 8 Apr - 7 May).聽 System loss on my bill was 0.4067/kWh.

I was told years ago that 鈥渟ystem loss鈥� is simply the difference between the kWh produced and the kWh billed from meters, less the computed loss of energy due to distribution. In short, we pay for the squatters with jumpered electricity.

Enzyte Bob ViP

4300POSTS

5 years ago

Skip Scott wrote:
I am also in Pasig. My cost (including tax, title & license鈥�) came to 9.79/kWh (my bill was from 8 Apr - 7 May).聽 System loss on my bill was 0.4067/kWh.

In short, we pay for the squatters with jumpered electricity.

Exactly, this is Meralco's problem, not the problem of customers. Meralco should eat this cost rather than pass it on to its customers.

Also if they charge customers, the charge should be the same for each customer, not a percentage of their bill.

capricornrising Serial expat

212POSTS

5 years ago

Beneco electrict bill here in Baguio city has been consistent for 9 years-about 15-17usd a month.Philippinos are always leaving there lights on even at night so they are paying more. They leave them on in broad daylight-go figure. Electricity is the highest bill here.Propane is the cheapest for a 15usd tank I can go 6-7 months. Being single has its benefits....Jimmy

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Enzyte Bob ViP

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5 years ago

capricornrising[/quote wrote:

Philippinos are always leaving there lights on even at night so they are paying more.

So the Wakwak doesn't get them, but maybe the Manananggal will.

GoDees Serial expat

224POSTS

4 years ago

My latest Meco (Mactan) electricity was聽 9.614 pesos per Kw.聽 High 9 pesos per Kw seem to be the average.

pike0072 Active member

27POSTS

4 years ago

I used to live php now Thailand 馃嚬馃嚟.聽聽Average bill here.聽聽45 usd per month.聽聽When I was in php the person 44

pike0072 Active member

27POSTS

4 years ago

Squatter s and the grafters....all part of the deal there.聽聽 If expats get Ina lather about a few hundred pesos ....then maybe they shouldn't live there.聽聽
When I lived in pi....to me gringo with to little green.聽聽 In my opinion no long-term stay should be allowed for monthly income less than 2300 usd verified.聽聽聽You need insurance, emergency money,聽 ect........

coach53 ViP

1564POSTS

4 years ago

pike0072 wrote:
In my opinion no long-term stay should be allowed for monthly income less than 2300 usd verified.

2300 !!!聽 Normaly I spend just 1200 usd per month in expensive Sweden...
Before preparing steps to move to Phils聽 before I sold my house, at harvet season and warm weather season, I did spend just 800 usd,聽 still having things as sailboat and billiard, which did cost to buy many years ago.聽
(I had/have many hobbies where the equipment cost, but (almost) no cost to use,聽 most sold or give to relatives when I emptied my house.)聽

In province there are even ok houses for rent for from 8000pesos聽 (seldom)聽 and 12 -聽 15 000 (rather common)...聽 Short time I can even find it ok with a rather nice "studio type" in city, which cost 3000 pesos per month plus el and water.聽
So why minimum 2300 usd聽聽

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pike0072 Active member

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4 years ago

#10

Ah.聽 You live in the province,聽 that's a different scenario.聽聽My experiences were in urbanized areas such as cebu,聽 davao,聽 Manila.....not in but near.聽聽聽
I had acquaintances who were living...if you want to call it that on 1600 usd a month.聽聽聽In my opinion very low quality of life.聽聽Small cheap apartment in so so area.聽聽Not eating healthy foods, and having little money for entertainment,聽聽no emergency money...no insurance.

I spent 2300 usd per month.聽聽Had midrange condo, healthy food,聽 insurance,聽聽and money to entertainment.

bigpearl ViP

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4 years ago

#11

This has,,,,, as most times gone off topic and perhaps should be in the cost of living in PH.
While I hear what you are saying pike I will say that when we lived in a 3 bed 3 bath condo in manila (rented), drink like a fish and smoke like a burning tire etc. we never spent more than AU 2,200 per month including the electricity and water bill of AU 130/140 per month.
Back to electricity bills? Ours was 5K last month and according to some if you take into account that only .47%,,,,,,,,,,,,was the charge for the Kwh hours used we are being ripped off because we are paying 100% of the bill for the Kwh used. Go figure. At the end of the day if the electricity bill is 5 or 20K I don't have an issue as long as I have A/C when I want and nit picking about losses and generation charges are part of the bill. We never ever saw such a ridiculously long winded bill in Oz.

OMO.

Cheers, Steve.

Wellsfry Serial expat

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4 years ago

#12

So total bill is like 7500k? Guessing Running air con all day most days... What type AC are you using?

Okieboy Serial expat

659POSTS

4 years ago

#13

I live close Davao $1600 is plenty, especially now if your a renter, lot of empty house and apartments, you can eat out every meal, taxi cheap, I know those that live on less, I can and save money, but I own my on place, don't eat out often, have a maid, motorcycle and car, I only have a wife but my son is in college that is about 32,000 a year, you can live better in the Philippines on your money than your home country, if you can't stay home

Enzyte Bob ViP

4300POSTS

4 years ago

#14

Wellsfry wrote:
So total bill is like 7500k? Guessing Running air con all day most days... What type AC are you using?

Although I believe your posting was not directed at me, but I will share my info.

Total Power Use: 870 kwh
Bill: 8539 Pesos
Running Cycle: 24/7
AirCon Type: 1.5 HP Kolin Inverter Window Unit

manwonder ViP

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4 years ago

#15

Warning...
Expect to pay more...a lot more!

Enzyte Bob ViP

4300POSTS

4 years ago

#16

manwonder wrote:
Warning...
Expect to pay more...a lot more!

I like the second to last paragraph in the article. "If the refrigerator is on at a particular time, then the aircon should be turned off visa versa.

Fellow Expats what particular time is your refrigerator on?聽聽聽Hahahahaha

So when the aircon is on, turn off the refrigerator. (Hahahaha) I'm surprised they didn't suggest putting a fan in the refrigerator and leave the door open.

Another part of the article suggested to avoid Bill Shock unplug appliances that are not being used. I can see TV Patrol doing a story about a man being electrocuted opening his mail or better yet, his laptop or cell phone blowing up with an eBILL.

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Enzyte Bob ViP

4300POSTS

4 years ago

#17

I just received my Meralco June Bill, May 23 to June 22

9750 php for 980 kwh,聽 Cost per 9.95 kwh,聽 Wise dollar rate today 48.74

Moon Dog Philippines Advisor

974POSTS

4 years ago

#18

Our Bileco rate is a little cheaper at 8.62 kwh. Works out to almost 18 cents. I wish they did attic insulation in the Philippines. All we have is a 10mm thick foil faced blanket across the top of the trusses just under the tin. I fully expect $300 electric bills. I will just pay it and not worry too much about it.

FortuneFavorsTheBold Banned

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4 years ago

#19

Enzyte Bob wrote:
I just received my Meralco June Bill, May 23 to June 22

9750 php for 980 kwh,聽 Cost per 9.95 kwh,聽 Wise dollar rate today 48.74

Don't know about kwh but my bill in metro Manila runs from 10,000 to 20,000 pesos per month with 1 or 2 small A/C units and a large refrigerator/freezer and occasionally a large Carrier A/C unit, and all the usual computers, TV's, etc.

Enzyte Bob ViP

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4 years ago

#20

Moon Dog wrote:
Our Bileco rate is a little cheaper at 8.62 kwh. Works out to almost 18 cents. I wish they did attic insulation in the Philippines. All we have is a 10mm thick foil faced blanket across the top of the trusses just under the tin. I fully expect $300 electric bills. I will just pay it and not worry too much about it.

In response to you and FFTB,

I have the same problem, I don't know about our insulation, I suspect I have none. Considering we have a three story house, with heat rising from the second and third floor, plus probably no insulation between the third floor and roof. Plus no insulation between the exterior walls and outside

We have a full range of appliances and most of the power sucking is on the third floor. We have a 1 1/2 hp aircon in our bedroom on the third floor that runs 24/7. Heat from the kitchen effects the temperature in our bedroom, because of no insulation also poorly made windows and sliding glass doors in our bedroom allows the cool air to escape.

When living in Las Vegas with a well constructed apartment, temperatures reaching 46C/115F our electric bill never went above $100.

The circumstances we now live under, we have to accept.

Moon Dog Philippines Advisor

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4 years ago

#21

Sounds like your not doing to bad at $200 per month if you run the aircon day and night. How is the temperature on the ground floor? Are you comfortable with just a fan?

Our house is pretty much all glass with 2 single and 2 double sliding glass doors. I plan to have up to 4 split units ranging from 2 hp to .6 hp and a .6 window unit in my shop. I will only use them when needed. If I turn them all on at once the lights will dim in the barangay and the hands on the meter will be a blur.

I have all my HVAC tools there already and had my brother in law pick up a 1 1/2 hp LG dual converter split system for the master BR. It is sitting in the house now so I can do the inside installation during our 4 day quarantine.聽 I was lucky enough to buy a vacuum pump that can be converted to 220 volt by switching two wires. I don't think they even use vacuum pumps in the Philippines.

Enzyte Bob ViP

4300POSTS

4 years ago

#22

Moon Dog wrote:
Sounds like your not doing to bad at $200 per month if you run the aircon day and night. How is the temperature on the ground floor? Are you comfortable with just a fan?

The temp on the ground floor is cooler than the third floor. The ground floor is a family room/kitchen and bathroom. The kitchen is not used on the ground floor, the kitchen on the third floor is used generating heat. We have fans in three bedrooms on the second floor, third floor kitchen and family room on first floor.

Yesterday I had the aircon guys stop by to clean the condenser and coils. Can't do it myself as it is mounted too high is too heavy and has to be moved downstairs to be cleaned.

Makes a big difference, setting is now 24C for a cold room, was at 18C. The real test is when I receive my next bill.

Enzyte Bob ViP

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4 years ago

#23

My July Meralco Bill,

Due to cooler temperatures and service to my aircon (cleaning) my bill dropped to 7,763 pesos.

But the cost of kwh went up and is 10.13 kwh. Also the dollar is up to 50.55.

frankanderson Contributor

114POSTS

4 years ago

#24

The only time my bill sky rocketed was during I think was after the first quarantine where Meralco didn't read the meter for 3 months.

I still paid the bill based on last reading for all those 3 months roughly 15K / month.

Then when they finally read the bill, my bill following was 23K聽

This was also the period where I saw many people took to online social media complaining that Meralco is burning them by over charging, it was also the same period where their other businesses was under fire.

as of date, my bill is still roughly 13-15K / month, nothing has really changed.

I am moving soon and I do have digital inverter type air con being installed. I'll let you know how my next bill will be.

I still don't have any idea what system loss mean. According to Google and Meralco
[System Loss Charge
This refers to the cost-recovery of power lost due to technical and non-technical system losses. The maximum level of losses that may be recovered by private distribution utilities was set at 9.5% by Republic Act No. 7832, which was reduced to 8.5% starting 2010, as provided under ERC Resolution No.]

Enzyte Bob ViP

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4 years ago

#25

Just received my November 26 bill from Meralco.

The elevator is going up and so is my electric bill 9154.64 php for 855 kwh.

That's 10.7 php for kwh, it seems the elevator will not reach the top floor for a long time.

Moon Dog Philippines Advisor

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4 years ago

#26

Enzyte Bob wrote:
Just received my November 26 bill from Meralco.

The elevator is going up and so is my electric bill 9154.64 php for 855 kwh.

That's 10.7 php for kwh, it seems the elevator will not reach the top floor for a long time.

We just received our November bill for 1,054 kwh and it was only P5,864!
But wait, I see a Transmission charge of P869
and a system loss charge of P875
and a distribution charge of P1,112
and s supply system charge of P1,083
and a metering charge of P5
and another metering charge of P610
and a reinvestment fund charge of P561
and a subsidy on lifeline and senior citizen charges totaling P44
and VAT on generation, transmission, system loss, distribution and others totaling P1,398
and a NPC stranded debt charge of P45
and a missionary electrification charge of P162
and a REDCI charge of P2 ?
and a fit-allowance of P103

Looks like our P5,864 charge has more than doubled to P12,739 or P12.08 per kwh. Wanna trade?

Enzyte Bob ViP

4300POSTS

4 years ago

#27

Moon Dog wrote:
Enzyte Bob wrote:
Just received my November 26 bill from Meralco.

The elevator is going up and so is my electric bill (corrected) 9146 php for 855 kwh.

That's 10.7 php for kwh, it seems the elevator will not reach the top floor for a long time.

We just received our November bill for 1,054 kwh and it was only P5,864
But wait, I see a Transmission charge of P869
and a system loss charge of P875
and a distribution charge of P1,112
and s supply system charge of P1,083
and a metering charge of P5
and another metering charge of P610
and a reinvestment fund charge of P561
and a subsidy on lifeline and senior citizen charges totaling P44
and VAT on generation, transmission, system loss, distribution and others totaling P1,398
and a NPC stranded debt charge of P45
and a missionary electrification charge of P162
and a REDCI charge of P2 ?
and a fit-allowance of P103

Looks like our P5,864 charge has more than doubled to P12,739 or P12.08 per kwh. Wanna trade?

If I'm reading your post correctly your actual consumption was: P5864 + P6875 add-ons.

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽So my actual consumption was: P4575 + P4570 add-ons.

Breakdown of my add-ons:

Transmission P571
System Loss P380
Distribution P2338
Subsidies P65
Government Taxes P962
Universal Charge P170
Fit-All (renewable) P84

Comparison (on what can be compared)

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽YOU聽聽聽聽聽ME
Transmission charge:聽 P869聽聽聽聽聽P571
System Loss:聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽P875聽聽聽聽聽P380
Distribution:聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽P1112聽聽聽聽P2338
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Total:聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽P2856聽聽聽聽P3289
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Misc/Dubious:聽聽聽聽聽聽聽P9883聽聽聽 P5857

Kinda like buying a new car: Manufacturers Suggested Price and there is the Dubious Dealer add-ons.

Nitrogen Filled Tires & Wheel Protection
Fabric聽 Scotch Guard
Paint Sealant
Rust Proofing
VIN Etching
Rainy Day聽 Car Wash Insurance

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Okieboy Serial expat

659POSTS

4 years ago

#28

Wow and I complain about a 2030 peso electric bill, but I don't run air conditioning, I have units in the bed rooms but haven't used them in years, turn them on to see if they still work, I have 2 Ref one large and a smaller one,a large freezer but all of these are inverter, water dispenser hot and cold, all kind of lights and fans, out side lights at night, I live in the province and my place covered with trees, and open area no close neighbors only one

Moon Dog Philippines Advisor

974POSTS

4 years ago

#29

My electric is usually just around P10K which is OK with me, it is about what I paid in the US, but I used twice the KWHs in the US. I don't have a mortgage or pay rent so I would go up to P20K and I was fully expecting the bills to be that high since I run a 1.5 hp and a 1.0 split unit around the clock and another 1.0 hp split unit for 10 or 12 hours each night. The extra in this bill was probably due to my air compressor running all day for a couple weeks painting the cabinets in the 2nd kitchen and painting my old Isuzu Trooper Bighorn.