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zigglr wrote:

I am a UK citizen however my father's side is Hungarian. His parents moved to the UK during the war, everyone before that lived in Hungary. Can I become a Hungarian citizen by descent?

The existing Hungarian nationality law dates from 1993. Prior to this date, rules for acquisition and loss of Hungarian citizenship may have been different. With the new Hungarian nationality law, by January 2011, every person who was a Hungarian citizen or is a descendant of a person who was a Hungarian citizen before 1920 or between 1941 and 1945 and speaks Hungarian may apply to become a Hungarian citizen even if he or she does not live in Hungary.

Until August 2015, more than 750,000 applications were filed and 700,000 people were already granted citizenship thanks to the new nationality law. These people are mostly from Transylvania (Romania) with 300,000 people, Vojvodina (Serbia) with 130,000 and Ukraine with 120,000.

Dual citizenship is permitted under Hungarian law.

ehsanbudapest wrote:

In Hungary father is not important. just聽 By mother line!!!

I am pretty sure it's either parent.

ehsanbudapest wrote:

In Hungary father is not important. just聽 By mother line!!!

This is not correct. In fact, prior to 1959 it was the exact opposite - FATHER ONLY.

Since then it is either parent. If Dad is a Hungarian, you are a Hungarian.

But of course, if your Dad was born in the US, and hasn't verified his citizenship,聽 you will need documents going back to your Grandparents showing they were citizens.

marklivesinla wrote:

ehsanbudapest wrote:

In Hungary father is not important. just聽 By mother line!!!

This is not correct. In fact, prior to 1959 it was the exact opposite - FATHER ONLY.

Since then it is either parent. If Dad is a Hungarian, you are a Hungarian.

But of course, if your Dad was born in the US, and hasn't verified his citizenship,聽 you will need documents going back to your Grandparents showing they were citizens.

I know it's slightly off topic, but there was a situation fairly recently (<13 years) in the UK where an unmarried father could not pass his nationality to his child born of a foreign mother.聽 聽No longer the case as far as I know.

I suspect all of those "unequal" parentage/nationality things, regardless of marriage,聽 have disappeared within the EU/EEA and Switzerland some years ago.

shaneforce3 wrote:

thanks I have all the docs and my fathers parents documents I was worrying about language test
it seems on UK embassy there is only one document to file is that correct
and google translate will not convert my English well enough.

You shouldn't need to do a language test if one of your parents is a Hungarian citizen.聽 聽You will automatically be a Hungarian citizen.聽 You should be able to simply apply for a passport supported by your documentation.

While perhaps not quite the same, I have two kids here - Mrs Fluffy is Hungarian and I'm British.聽 聽There was never any question that the kids were not Hungarian and we obtained Hungarian passports for them by just routine application.聽 聽They also have British passports (also by routine application supported by Hungarian birth certificates).

zif wrote:

It's a two-step process. First he submits the documentation and gets recognized as a Hungarian citizen. Then he applies for a passport.

It'd be different if the poster himself were born in Hungary and had a Hungarian birth certificate, like your children. Then there's no need for formal recognition of citizenship.

The poster should also be aware that the embassy only accepts the paperwork; everything is actually processed in Budapest, so it's not quickly done. A reasonable guess is that Covid's slowed everything down further.

Really?聽 Seems a bit odd.聽 聽 The UK birth certificate would be acceptable here (was before Brexit anyway) but perhaps with translation.聽 聽There was always mutual recognition of documents in the EU so not clear why it wouldn't work by just applying for a passport.聽

BTW, the birth certificates in Hungary are in Hungarian, English and French (2009 anyways) and the ones from about 2005 are only in Hungarian.

zif wrote:

The UK birth certificate alone isn't enough. He also needs a marriage certificate, UK or otherwise.

Point is, a Hungarian birth certificate standing alone does demonstrate Hungarian citizenship. But without that more documents are needed and they are evaluated in Budapest.

As I mentioned, he'll have to ask the embassy whether his UK documents need to be translated or apostilled.

OK, you know more.

I'm curious and wonder why would a marriage certificate be required so long as Hungarian Dad was identified as the father on the birth certificate?聽 聽What difference would it make who the mother was to nationality passed through the father?聽 聽Wondering what the logic was.

BTW, I expect official translations are all that are required - Mrs Fluffy and I were married in the UK and have English language documentation on marriage.聽 聽 In those days OFFI did that work so it was in a closed system.聽 There was no requirement for an apostille.

zif wrote:

Why the marriage certificate? As you might recall from other posts here, there can be problems if the child is not legitimate. Not sure if that is an absolute bar these days but nonetheless why look for problems, and not handing over a marriage certificate is asking for delay and problems.

As to the apostille requirement, Hungary is not consistent. Not required for Simplified Naturalization documents but usually required for citizenship verification documents like here, though there are exceptions for some countries. Only way the poster can know for sure is to ask the embassy.

Good info, thanks.

There was a similar thing going on in the UK.聽 聽Only the father could pass on nationality when the mother was a foreign national and to do that, one had to be married.聽 It was a travesty of inequality and that rule or regulation was rescinded some years ago.聽 Now, in the UK nationality can be passed on without being married.聽 聽I wonder if there was some EU legal challenge about it.

BTW, in mid-2000s,聽 I had to sign a paper to say our child was MY child before they would issue the HU birth certificate.聽 There's note on the birth certificate saying, I'm British.聽 I don't think had to do that in the late 2000s with the 2nd child and the birth certificate was issued in HU. But it also has a note saying I'm British.聽 聽As far as I recall UK birth certificates don't record nationality of the parents.

zif wrote:

Current UK birth certificates record the birthplace of each parent but not the citizenship

Indeed, my own (UK) birth certificate does not record nationality.聽 聽 聽

There's another type of birth certificate in the UK system and that's the consular birth certificate.聽 聽It's optional to have one of these and the fees charged are really high.聽 So only one of our kids has one.聽

The older one has the local HU language version only so the consular version can be used in the UK without translation.聽

The other聽 kid doesn't have a consular version as model certificate is "internationalised"聽 language wise and recognised in UK and HU.聽 聽

The Embassy did also tell me that consular certificate copies are lodged in Liverpool.聽 I did ask why it was necessary to have one and they said it was for record keeping in the UK.聽 聽

An interesting difference on UK issued certificates and the consular version is that it shows my claim to citizenship was -聽 .聽 Doesn't record Mrs Fluffy's nationality.

All very interesting but not directly relevant for the OP.

BTW, I like the Occupation on your link - Prince/?Princess of the United Kingdom.聽 聽 I might have said "Self-entitled Prince/ss....." or "Overly self-important Prince/ss...."

zif wrote:

The US also has a consular birth record for Americans born overseas and it's really important to get it ASAP after birth. They make late registration purposely difficult and without it the child does not have a US birth certificate. So it's a must-have.

I've been at my local consulate a couple of times when couples brought their infant in for registration. So funny to see them lift the little child up so the consul gets a good view through the glass. Funny because at two weeks babies tend to look all alike.

We had to get a passport for our HU eldest pronto as we were travelling. I went first for the UK passport as I could get it in 2-3 days, not months. We had a professional photographer taking a picture on the hospital bed!聽 聽 It was a major effort to get聽 the birth certificate issued locally in quick time.聽 I had to take a HU speaker to lean on the registrar.聽 聽

All that was at a time when UK embassies issued passports.聽 They don't do that now, everything has to be done by post and courier at high (i.e. rip off) prices.聽 It's a bit infuriating they don't issue passports now.

I can understand that about the US birth certificate.聽 It didn't matter so much for British citizens as way back then, all EU issued documents were mutually recognised.聽 I expect that continues but one can see how it could easily go wrong with Brexit if some civil servant took their eye off the ball when agreeing mutual recognition of documents.

My very eldest kid has yet another EU issued (non-UK, non-HU) birth certificate and never had a problem at all with聽 the UK authorities.