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tearnet wrote:

After watching building work on flats close to us I am shocked at the shody and cheap materials and workmanship used.

They are just maximising the profit

In my neighborhood an apartment house is built at very low cost standard (e.g. without car garage in the basement and only 1 row of hollow bricks for outside walls).
They told me that the house will cost about € 100-120k (without any interior finishings) because it will be built with the help of "friends"
Watching the construction works, the used materials and the time schedule gives me a time travel back to the 1960's
The 4 apartments will be sold each at around 80 - 100k (penthouse) ... and since 2 apartments are already sold, the building project is a success - even before it is finished !!!

(btw, who buys a flat, especially here in Malta, before it is finished and can be viewed ?)

Markus

redmik wrote:

Thanks both, in that case I'll save my money and freighting space.

Yesterday I bought 3 new gas heaters of "better" quality of burner plates and valves (i.e. Made in Bulgaria, not in China) at a price of 78,- each.
I received a "big" discount (of course ) and had to pay only 210,- and also got 3 regulators for free

MikeInPoulton wrote:

How long have you been living in Malta?....  I asked mum and dad. 

All our lives(75+ years) they said......as if I should have been surprised.

And your children? (yes I can start a sentence with and)...Yes, they too, have lived all their lives here.

And all your friends (and those in the village, the quarter and indeed the rest of the Island) that you know?

Why do you ask?......was the curious question.

Because those who visit, and some who stay a while, feel cold in the winter....I said.

Oh!....why's that?

a hardier breed I'm afraid Mike.....we have become a softer breed with all the modern day "taken for granted" appliances etc etc etc ......

an interestign take - so what was your answer to the final question? and how did the conversation then progress.

toonarmy9752 wrote:

MikeInPoulton wrote:

How long have you been living in Malta?....  I asked mum and dad. 

All our lives(75+ years) they said......as if I should have been surprised.

And your children? (yes I can start a sentence with and)...Yes, they too, have lived all their lives here.

And all your friends (and those in the village, the quarter and indeed the rest of the Island) that you know?

Why do you ask?......was the curious question.

Because those who visit, and some who stay a while, feel cold in the winter....I said.

Oh!....why's that?

a hardier breed I'm afraid Mike.....we have become a softer breed with all the modern day "taken for granted" appliances etc etc etc ......

an interestign take - so what was your answer to the final question? and how did the conversation then progress.

Now, that's what furthers my argument against air con etc. It's about not letting the body acclimatise naturally and build its own defences.
Also an interesting thing I found out and that is that women have appx 400% more cold receptors on their bodies which is why they tend to feel cold more than men. One practical significance is that to have an office of mixed gender staff is not as productive as having men in one room and women in another with separate heat controls for each room!
A little bit of useless information for you :-)

TheDarkman wrote:

George, toon. You offer up a great deal of informaton for which I've already had cause to be in your debt. But not having this subject up as a "sticky" is a major faux pas. People absolutely MUST know about this situation. It's not even about keeping warm. We can worry about that once we're dry !

I would demand a refund of your subscription fee to this forum. You clearly aren't getting your money's worth.

georgeingozo wrote:

TheDarkman wrote:

George, toon. You offer up a great deal of informaton for which I've already had cause to be in your debt. But not having this subject up as a "sticky" is a major faux pas. People absolutely MUST know about this situation. It's not even about keeping warm. We can worry about that once we're dry !

I would demand a refund of your subscription fee to this forum. You clearly aren't getting your money's worth.

I can't. If it had been a financial investment I could have worked to get it back. But my time is lost forever 

toonarmy9752 wrote:

MikeInPoulton wrote:

How long have you been living in Malta?....  I asked mum and dad. 

All our lives(75+ years) they said......as if I should have been surprised.

And your children? (yes I can start a sentence with and)...Yes, they too, have lived all their lives here.

And all your friends (and those in the village, the quarter and indeed the rest of the Island) that you know?

Why do you ask?......was the curious question.

Because those who visit, and some who stay a while, feel cold in the winter....I said.

Oh!....why's that?

a hardier breed I'm afraid Mike.....we have become a softer breed with all the modern day "taken for granted" appliances etc etc etc ......

an interestign take - so what was your answer to the final question? and how did the conversation then progress.

Indeed we are toon and I suppose that it is us that needs to adapt and overcome.  The article you signposted at the top was quite interesting with a good balance of pro's and cons for each alternative heating method.....at least you have offered choice with this.

However, as someone here once said about the local population, it will take about three generations to change the mindset and see improvement in building regs and quality.....we will just have to be patient I suppose.  Anyway it would be interesting to hear your feedback on the ethanol heater you are trying - possibly a good way ahead for heating.

And Mick.....I love interesting facts like yours (cold receptors and all that)- there's a place on our Tuesday night pub quiz team if you are interested.

Rocking Ken wrote:

Bio-ethanol £1.95 lt in the UK

so that equates to 2.40e

am sure if i could buy in bulk - barring storage issues - a better price is possible.

georgeingozo wrote:

And if it gets really cold you can always drink it

George, please invite me to that party when we get over.....

Toon...great feedback already chap - looking already (price permitting) a positive source of heating; may invest in one for when we stay over in the cold months.

Watching your space fella.....

toonarmy9752 wrote:

it belts the heat out but i think it may be too expensive but saying that its nice to see a flame and no smoke, clinker, soot, ash, fumes.

am gonna try something early evening when we get back from the pub..so will see how that goes.

hmm smells just like white spirit to me. and could well be drinkable....reminds of my meths drinking days ...but have mellowed now - sundays only - and its welcome break from 20/20 and buckfast cocktails.

If drinking meths, it's best to use only surgical meths and orange juice helps the taste I used to use it when cleaning optical equipment.
A squirt into an engine's carburator produces interesting results too!