Monthly consumption of water and electricity
could you please share your monthly consumption of water and electricit? Please also state no. of people living in the property.
We are a family of four and our consumption is 382 units of electricity and 446 (I don't know what units] of water.
Thanks,
Jitka
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it mainly depends on the season:
we are 2 persons in a house with garden.
from july to november we needed about 150kWh electricity and ca. 15m3 water per month.
from december to feb we needed some 350kWh (elec. boilers and a/c for heating) and less than 10m3 water per month.
And up to now 3 gas bottles for the heater.
2 people 3 bed flat, low energy bulbs.
Terry
what is the cost for water and electricity in Malta ? Is there only one Company or are there more where you can choose their offers or completly different ?
toonarmy9752 wrote:total monopoly
Ah, that means water and electricity are ruled by the Government or one company.
Do know somebody the average prices for this goods (Price per m³ water or kwh) ?
I am just wondering if I made a mistake with water as 44.6 m3 is so much and we are quite careful with water usage. I mean meter reading at the beginning of the month was 168.690 and after 2 weeks it was 170.928. Is it then 22.38m3 or 2.238m3?
that equates on average to approx 60000 litres per yr or 60 cubic meters
which would mean less than 5.5cu metres per month is average and acceptable id say
toonarmy9752 wrote:depends if you are resident or non resident as they operate a two tier tariff.
Ah, ok. What are the tarifs for residents ?
Volkov wrote:Ah, ok. What are the tarifs for residents ?
... and there are always some extra costs (service fee etc.)
Until you can get named on the account holders account as a registered consumer (upto 8 can be included including children) you will continue to pay the higher rates. To do so you must get the e-Residency card and complete the change of consumer numbers form (avail from arms website) and get the permission of the owner as he must also provide his signature on the form and both front and back of his id card. It is free to do it - you do not need to have the account in your name.
I have spent in 5 months 868.00 units. Is it normal?
MaltaCommando wrote:And how much it is the domestic one?
I have spent in 5 months 868.00 units. Is it normal?
Look here, bottom of the page.
On elec once you exceed the limit then everything is lost in terms of discount - even the discounts you may have earned previously in the year.
in very very simple terms instead of paying say 16-17c per unit you will be paying 21-23c per unit
there is a similar discount on water too and the thresholds there are 33cu m (33000 litres per person per yr at 1.48 / 1000L) but on domestic it is 2.38 ish per 1000L -doesnt sound a lot but hey none of us have money to throw away or burn. once you exceed the water limit you go upto 5.50 per 1000L but here you dont lose the lower level discount at all.
If it is 0,23 cents as maximum that's sounds aceptable 0.23 x 868 = 199,64 euros.
At home we are 4 persons and it seems that the most consuming electrodomestic is our airconditioner(this last days we used it a lot)
toonarmy9752 I know that the best is to get the new ID cards but we have left it until the burocracy starts to deliver them more rapidly (if this some day happens).
MaltaCommando wrote:Hi, many thanks to all.
If it is 0,23 cents as maximum that's sounds aceptable 0.23 x 868 = 199,64 euros.
At home we are 4 persons and it seems that the most consuming electrodomestic is our airconditioner(this last days we used it a lot)
toonarmy9752 I know that the best is to get the new ID cards but we have left it until the burocracy starts to deliver them more rapidly (if this some day happens).
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that still over 50 euros more than it should be....
think about the fact that with 4 registered people you would be allowed 4 x 1000 units per yr at 25% disc and a further 750 x 4 per year at 15% discount - that would cover a lot of air con usage at much lower rates
Is that fair?
If water is used prudently, a consumer gets it at discounted rate and I think if premises is registered as single user, there is a further discount.
Keep track of your consumption on those charges - you might be in for a negative surprise.
To get the best rates you need to be on the residential rate with the correct number of persons registered. You are on domestic or even worse!
Cheers
Ricky
Trouble is i have only experienced (in a couple of different countries - not Malta yet) 2 types of charges.
Theses were a set rental including all charges and the other one was set rental and i registered and paid utility charges in my name.
Seems to me this wants sorting out at government level - its you that uses the utility NOT the landlord - open to corruption big style and a real way of the landlord effectively getting more rent from you.
It's my BIGGEST concern about moving to Malta.
Getting a supply isn't always that easy: you have to sign contracts in other languages, not knowing what you're signing, terms and conditions, their customer service and complaint mechanism if thing don't work as expected and also the legal framework of the country if the problem cannot be resolved any other way....
You may not get a supply: some countries don't supply to non residents or non citizens. Different utility companies have different criterion and requirements to accept you as a customer....
If you get a supply, you have to deal with issue on the phone perhaps in another language (not normally in Malta). You have to deal with disconnections and refund of your deposit (if lucky to get it back)
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Malta has resolved the problem by leaving the meters and supply in the landlord's name, so he is responsible to pay them no matter what and how much!!!
The consumer han't got to deal with those or recveive utility bills
I would say the needs, comfort and security of the utility provider, the landlord and the consumer are assured under Maltese models.
Water and electricity meters are recoreded when you move in:
There are no gas bills here as there is no gas supply (no gas pipe netwrk). All people use gas bottles which could last ages and of course no standing charges. I'm not sure how landlords deal with gas. Mine have been nice and helpful either gave me a full bottle or half full at start at no charge. I buy full bottles when they get empty.
Model A (normally for longer let):
You pay a utility bill deposit of say 50 euros
You pay a set contribution of say 50 euros towards the utility bills each month along with your rent
The bill eventually come and you settle it either pay more or get back if you'd paid extra
There is a link on utility company to enter meter readings and get an accurate estimate of where you stand. This can be utilised when leaving or at any time.
The consumer pays the standing charge whicdh isn't a lot, I have to say
Landlord doesn't make a profit (or a loss for the most part) on the utility bills
Bob's your uncle
Model B (often for shorter let):
You pay for usage per unit at an inflated price (known in advance)
You pay it weekly or monthly there and then when he comes to collect the rent and reads the meter.
No standing charge
Landlord might make a small profit or loss (due to service charge or tennent doing a runner!)
There must be a landlord somewhere in Malta who rents inclusive of utility bills, but I haven't come across him. Short-term holiday lets may well be run that way.
To add salt to injury, a property may be on a residential tariff (cheaper) or commercial tariff (much higher). That can be changed but not that easily.
I hope this very long and detailed explanation satisfied all.
the more people there are living there you get more allowances per year at the lower rates ...thus the bills are cheaper
never ever pay direct to the landlord ask for a copy of the bill (dont accept one written by the landlord and note the online calculator is only accurate when you know 100% for sure what tariff you are on)Â every time and pay the bill yourself direct to arms via the methods available at bank post office by online... look at your bill if it says scheme domestic or residential = 0 consumers then you are paying way way too much for the same elec and water your landlord uses....
and then if hes asking for cash for rent and utilities and refusing to sign form H hes probably evading taxes, and could potentially be making money off you....... it could also be that he has registered the property as domestic as summer residence for him and his family and has not declared changes ( a criminal offence) ie the property has permanent residents in it.. thus the invoice may only come each 6 month or worse still 12months.... if thats the case be very very careful and find out. NOW
further if you continue the way you are and paying a regular sum in cash each month you could be in for a nasty surprise at the eventual bill you will get.... so ask the questions and get the answers NOW .. how sure are you that the landlords are actually paying your cash to the supplier.... we have come across situations where the landlord wasnt paying over to arms.... believe me it happens.. caution and asking awkward questions is your best friend
AlyDimmick wrote:Thanks everyone - I thought it was high and a strange process but I live and learn. Off to chat with my landlord now. Thanks again
My usual advice: speak softly and smile a lot, but carry a big stick or a rottweiler (both for added negotiating power) 
Good luck!

robpw2 wrote:I can lend you my dog mind he'll probably just lick them to death he has so much love to give
That might work well on this side "speak softly and smile a lot"
but for the other part, we need more will power....
You can get much further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.
(Al Capone)
at least he warned you he was going to rob you
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