Marriage and visa
i live in brazil last 5 years i hv perment document (RNA) bank statement m working here also my father hv company in brazil i want to聽 invite my wife she live in india which documents needed nd process plz help me (i hv alreday marrige certificate )
thank u
How are You? So about Your wife, as I understood you are married in India? If that is the case, she needs to to the embassy of Brasil in India and she needs to conzulate that document, and every other that they will ask her for. My case is simplier because I have married here and my husband is Brasilian.
am barun, i get marry to a brazilian girl and she is now there in sao paulo and am planning to go there in next three months. please can anybody tell me how much brl it will required to spend including translation, marriage fee, notary etc if required...
thanks for reply...
Before you start even thinking about the cost of getting married here in Brazil I suggest that you concern yourself with actually obtaining a VITUR Tourist Visa that is going to allow you to stay in the country long enough to actually get through the marriage process. Even if you have all of the necessary documents ready and they're in perfect order it takes over a month for expats to get through the process of marriage here in Brazil.
If you have never applied for a Brazilian visa and been to this country before it is quite unlikely that you're going to be granted a visa that will allow anything but a very short stay on your first application. Usually longer visits are granted to citizens of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh ONLY following one successful visit and returning to their homeland. See the following topic posting:
/forum/viewtopic.php?id=201090
It's probably going to be much easier for your future bride to come to India, for you two to get married there, register the marriage with the Consulado-Geral do Brasil in Mumbai and then apply for your permanent visa there. That's exactly what most of your fellow countrymen end up doing.
See the following Consulado website for visa requirements:
Cheers,
James聽 聽 聽 聽 Expat-blog Experts Team
/forum/viewtopic.php?id=150290
From Vegas, sorry for your situation...but i can trust on my wife and we got marry with our parents understanding as per indian culture...and i hope this will work and last for long life...
Again...you means its better to call her again in india and get marry in consulate general in brasil in india....and then apply for the permanent visa...also can you guys also guide me that am a interior designer and had a retail store planning and residential designing experience, can i expect a good job in my field there...
okay i understood...but it states that if i go on tourist visa and then marry her again there, it will cost me more...
Yes you can get married on a VITUR Tourist Visa, what I told you is that you will NOT get a VITUR Tourist Visa that allows you enough time to do so. Most people in other countries are issued a 5 year visa that permits a 90 day stay, which can be extended to 180 total. Brazil does not issue this kind of visa for citizens of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh on their first application. They will only usually give a one time only visa that allows a stay of anywhere from one week to a month maximum. ONLY AFTER ONE VISIT TO BRAZIL and returning to your homeland might you be considered for a longer visa.
Since the marriage process takes more than 1 month you couldn't get married here until you are granted a longer visa. You also can't get married on an expired visa. So even if you have all the documents ready, applied at the Cart贸rio for permission to marry "habilita莽茫o de casamento" on your very first day in Brazil you still couldn't do it in time.
Cheers,
James
but my wife said i will get a tourist visa for 3 months and in that three months we can marry and then put process for PR visa and the receipt i will get, can show for to stay longer here until i get my PR...is that true ??
Trust me I have been dealing with the bureaucracy here in Brazil for over 13 years and I know what I'm talking about.
If you have never been granted a VITUR Tourist Visa for Brazil before, as a citizen of India (or Pakistan or Bangladesh) you WILL NOT be granted a 5 year, 90 day visit visa on your first application. It just isn't going to happen, obviously your girlfriend in not aware of the different treatment given in consideration of visas for citizens of your country.
If you want to waste your time and money trying to get a VITUR Tourist Visa then when it comes back limited to a one-time-only 7 - 30 day visit visa, you have been informed that this is exactly what will happen.
I've been advising members from your country and the others mentioned for years now, and you can believe me when I tell you it will be far easier for your girlfriend to come to India and the two of you get married there.
You've asked for advice, and I have given you the very best advice that you are going to receive. I find it strange that you simply do not want to accept it, since it isn't what you WANT to hear.
Please, go apply for your VITUR, but when the end result is what you've already been told - please don't come back here posting a complaint.
Cheers,
James
Expat-blog Experts Team
Pls don't be offended and thanks for the opinion and advice, I think that is the only perfect way to get marry in India in Brazil consulate and then apply for the vitur visa. it was just Bcoz now again we have to spend money for her return air ticket and again to go for both
but still considering the beaurocracy that your advice is seen to be better
So now you have no other option than to apply for a VITUR and hope that you can get one that's going to allow you to stay in Brazil for 90 days.
You should have stated that in your first posting. What you said there was, "am barun, i get marry to a brazilian girl and she is now there in sao paulo..." She is not a Brazilian girl then. That makes all the difference in the world and is going to complicate things greatly for you.
I thought if she is having PR means there is no difference but then she told me ask this now when I told her about the complicated situation but she is also no Indian, she is Peruvian and had a PR I Brazil
so now I have to go for your last advice ??
appreciated your guidance for above query...please can you advise me that now should go for tourist visa to brazil...
thanks for the reply
To find out exactly what the requirements for obtaining a VITUR Tourist Visa for citizens of India, go back up to my posting (Reply #45) on this thread. Click on the link at the bottom of that reply which is the link to the Consulado-Geral do Brasil in Mumbai. It explains everything. The link is to their English language pages.
Cheers,
James
please can anybody also tell can i get a work for interior designing their...??
You will probably stand a much greater chance, as an interior designer, in working as an independent service provider, seeking your own clients and simply working under contract to each client.
Cheers,
James
i hope there also you will help me...in case
thanks...
how i get my visa to brazil
I have advised numerous members from India and Pakistan on marriage here, and it's almost impossible. Much better if your girlfriend comes to where you are, you get married there and then register the marriage with the Consulado-Geral do Brasil in the country where the marriage takes place. Then following that you can apply for permanency through the Consulado.
Cheers,
James聽 聽 聽Expat-blog Experts Team
You might find the following 2 topic threads helpful:
/forum/viewtopic.php?id=376293/forum/viewtopic.php?id=201090
The following topic has been closed, but it is worth reading my response on it too since it directly relates to Pakistanis wanting to marry a Brazilian:
/forum/viewtopic.php?id=463490
Cheers,
James聽 聽 聽Expat-blog Experts Team
I see you have lots of knowledge and I'd like to ask.
Im brazilian living in the same name country, I got married to a palestinian here last year, then he left back for his country to work. In one month he will apply for a tourist visa again, and if it get denyed, even showing he is in a public job for over 2 years and has enough funds to stay for 2 weeks, what in your opinion should we try? Sending him an invitation letter plus the marriage certificate to get the tourist visa?
Also, if applying for a permanent visa in Brazil takes that long, in this meanwhile would it make it easier for him to come visit me? He may move to Brazil next year only, but still we aren't sure.
Many thks
jastsaqqi wrote:ok thanks bro
Man why don't u get married by procuration here I did it
alicekfs wrote:jastsaqqi wrote:ok thanks bro
Man why don't u get married by procuration here I did it
Perhaps he's never been in Brazil before or didn't arrange for a "Casamento por Procura莽茫o" while he was. It can't be arranged from outside Brazil. Both parties must go to the Cart贸rio together in person to apply for the marriage.
Cheers,
James聽 聽 Expat-blog Experts Team
Well if he can get a VITUR Tourist Visa, it would be much better for him to come here and apply for permanency while actually in Brazil, because the new procedures since Sept.1, 2014 have sped things up considerably and if all the documents are in order then permanency is granted immediately. He should get all his documents ready before leaving for Brazil.
If for some reason he has trouble obtaining another VITUR Tourist Visa then he could apply for a VIPER Permanent Visa at the Consulado-Geral do Brasil in his home country and wait for it to be processed. (Usually 3 - 6 months)
Either way, all the documents necessary for Permanency based on marriage are the same.
For more information read the following topic:
/forum/viewtopic.php?id=403321
Cheers,
James聽 聽 聽Expat-blog Experts Team
James wrote:alicekfs wrote:jastsaqqi wrote:ok thanks bro
Man why don't u get married by procuration here I did it
Perhaps he's never been in Brazil before or didn't arrange for a "Casamento por Procura莽茫o" while he was. It can't be arranged from outside Brazil. Both parties must go to the Cart贸rio together in person to apply for the marriage.
Cheers,
James聽 聽 Expat-blog Experts Team
No need, I got married by procuration while my husband was in his country, he must write a letter in his country and name anyone he likes here to represent him
James wrote:Hello alicekfs,
Well if he can get a VITUR Tourist Visa, it would be much better for him to come here and apply for permanency while actually in Brazil, because the new procedures since Sept.1, 2014 have sped things up considerably and if all the documents are in order then permanency is granted immediately. He should get all his documents ready before leaving for Brazil.
If for some reason he has trouble obtaining another VITUR Tourist Visa then he could apply for a VIPER Permanent Visa at the Consulado-Geral do Brasil in his home country and wait for it to be processed. (Usually 3 - 6 months)
Either way, all the documents necessary for Permanency based on marriage are the same.
For more information read the following topic:
/forum/viewtopic.php?id=403321
Cheers,
James聽 聽 聽Expat-blog Experts Team
Thank you my friend,
We can't wait that long for him getting a permanent coz his vacation's gonna be between June and August. Can't he apply for tourist and show docs about our marriage?
NOTE: It would be better in this case NOT to mention anything about the marriage at the Consulado, it may complicate the application for the VITUR as a visa issuing officer may insist that he apply for a VIPER instead, which by law is not necessary.
Also coming to Brazil as a "tourist" he's going to need an outbound ticket dated for the end of the permitted stay. This is not necessarily a RETURN ticket, but rather just a ticket to some other country he can enter because he already holds a visa or can enter without a visa under the Visa Waiver Program. If he can enter any of the surrounding South American countries then a "throw away" bus ticket to Paraguay, Argentina, Uruguay, etc., will satisfy this requirement and will be a lot cheaper.
Cheers,
James聽 聽 Expat-blog Experts Team
Cheers,
James聽 聽Expat-blog Experts Team.
About the procuration, its possible, I know lots of cases of foreigners coming from middle east, fall in "love" with brazilians throught facebook, get their tourist visa refused since they are unemployed. Most of cases the brazilian woman overprotected by her family, won't be able to leave brazil. Then they apply for a procutarion to make it easier for foreigners to come. Here I found a website of a lawyer talking about it, search for the word "estrangeiro" at the coments and see his answers. Also you can ask any cart贸rio de registro civil.
It's clear that you completely misunderstand the legislation surrounding "Casamento por Procura莽茫o" (Proxy Marriage).
Yes, while the law permits a marriage to take place through "Procura莽茫o P煤blico" when one or both of the parties are for some reason unable to attend the cerimony.
The legislation requires that BOTH parties must be physically present at the Cart贸rio in order to request "Habilita莽茫o de Casamento" (permission to marry). That is required by Brazilian law. This means that the foreign national must be present in Brazil, during the validity of his/her visa stay, attend the Cart贸rio in person with the Brazilian party in order for both to sign all the necessary documents that would permit the marriage to go ahead. The legislation DOES NOT provide for this process to be initiated from outside Brazil or by only one of the parties from within the country. Please check the current legislation before you post information that is completely inacurate since it will induce other members to error and cost them considerable amounts of money.
I have been dealing with situations just like this for over 13 years now and have researched the laws extensively. I do know what I am talking about.
If you were to read it correctly even the link you have provided makes this absolutely clear:
"A lei permite aos c么njuges que n茫o possam, por qualquer motivo, estar presentes na celebra莽茫o do seu pr贸prio matrim么nio, que se fa莽am representar por procurador bastante, munido de poderes especiais, necessariamente atrav茅s de instrumento p煤blico, feito por tabeli茫o de notas, com prazo de validade de noventa dias e men莽茫o inequ铆voca do outro contraente."
The foreign national must make a "Procura莽茫o P煤blico", at the Cart贸rio here in Brazil setting out the powers of the proxy and this cannot be done elsewhere.
Cheers,
James聽 聽 聽Expat-blog Experts Team
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