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j600rr wrote:

This has been in the works for awhile. Actually Latin American Countries have been talking, about and planning on decriminalizing drugs used for personal consumption for some time. Not necessarily a government run business like Uruguay is planning on, but imagine if Uruguay follows through there will be a snowball effect across all L.A. Countries.

It would surprise me in countries that have such a large majority of Catholics, but when billions of dollars are involved, nothing should be surprising I guess.

mugtech wrote:

It would surprise me in countries that have such a large majority of Catholics, but when billions of dollars are involved, nothing should be surprising I guess.

If a bill to legalize marijuana were proposed in Ecuador, it would be interesting to see which way Correa jumped. While he is very much to the left on economics, he is also well to the right on social issues -- strongly against abortion and going so far as to threaten resignation recently when some members of his party advocated for a gay marriage bill. His positions on those issues are based, I have read, on his strong Catholicism. So he would seem likely to oppose any sort of drug legalization.

On the other hand, he seems to like nothing better than to thumb his nose at the US, which might incline him to support it.

Could be fun to watch, but my guess is that it's unlikely to happen soon in Ecuador -- but who knows?

mugtech wrote:

I started a thread on the Uruguay forum just like this one, but I was told that for legal and security reasons it was shut down.聽 Seems ridiculous that one cannot announce on the Uruguay forum what laws were recently passed in Uruguay. I was not judgmental, just asked the folks on there what they thought.

That is befuddling. Maybe they were worried it would devolve into a pissing match.

mugtech wrote:

I started a thread on the Uruguay forum just like this one, but I was told that for legal and security reasons it was shut down.聽 Seems ridiculous that one cannot announce on the Uruguay forum what laws were recently passed in Uruguay. I was not judgmental, just asked the folks on there what they thought.

What is this supposed to be a hush-hush topic or something? Personally don't care if drugs are legalized, or if certain ones remain illegal, but depending on what your thoughts are regarding the subject it could be something that persuades or dissuades someone from moving to a particular place. Some reason it's like anything that can have a direct effect on our lives we're just supposed to close our eyes to it, and pretend the subject doesn't even exist.

Nards Barley wrote:

mugtech wrote:

I started a thread on the Uruguay forum just like this one, but I was told that for legal and security reasons it was shut down.聽 Seems ridiculous that one cannot announce on the Uruguay forum what laws were recently passed in Uruguay. I was not judgmental, just asked the folks on there what they thought.

That is befuddling. Maybe they were worried it would devolve into a pissing match.

Maybe
Mine was the only post, and it was down in a few minutes.聽 I wrote a PM to the 27 year old newbie censor, who had informed me via PM what up, and asked why? 10 hours ago, no response yet.

mugtech wrote:

Nards Barley wrote:

mugtech wrote:

I started a thread on the Uruguay forum just like this one, but I was told that for legal and security reasons it was shut down.聽 Seems ridiculous that one cannot announce on the Uruguay forum what laws were recently passed in Uruguay. I was not judgmental, just asked the folks on there what they thought.

That is befuddling. Maybe they were worried it would devolve into a pissing match.

Maybe
Mine was the only post, and it was down in a few minutes.聽 I wrote a PM to the 27 year old newbie censor, who had informed me via PM what up, and asked why? 10 hours ago, no response yet.

"Legal and security" reasons to shut it down.Hmmm..Let us know if he answers you.

suefrankdahl wrote:

mugtech wrote:

Nards Barley wrote:

That is befuddling. Maybe they were worried it would devolve into a pissing match.

Maybe
Mine was the only post, and it was down in a few minutes.聽 I wrote a PM to the 27 year old newbie censor, who had informed me via PM what up, and asked why? 10 hours ago, no response yet.

"Legal and security" reasons to shut it down.Hmmm..Let us know if he answers you.

He is a she, will let you know.

GringoBueno wrote:

At the risk of confusing the issue with information ...

Uruguay's marijuana laws do not permit underage use, NOR participation by non-citizens in order to "nip pot tourism in the bud" [pun intended, of course]

聽 聽Carlos聽 "ElGringoHippy'o聽 "

PS聽 Oregon is anticipating legalizing recreational use in the 2014 elections.聽 Interestingly, it won't be through the "initiative" process [Oregon was the 2nd state {after S. Dakota} to create a system of citizen "initiative" petitions and legislative "referendums"聽 in order for the populace to have a direct impact on specific legal issues.聽 聽Some Oregon legislators have already drafted a proposed "referendum" for voters in 2014.聽 At this point, it appears to be more akin to Colorado than Washington.聽

PPS聽 Washington is in for a rude awakening.聽 In order for their new laws to be politically viable, there is an "outsized" expectation of big tax revenues with "outsized" taxes, fees and other imposed costs of production, distribution, etc. including a hefty user tax in addition to the normal sales tax.聽 Rest assured that they've pretty much assured a continuing black market.

Not trying to get political or off topic, but in regards to certain States in the U.S., and the choice to legalize and tax, or not, aren't the drug laws still a federal government issue? I mean couldn't agents at the federal level still go into any State that has legalized, and still bust an individual, or business聽 for breaking the drug laws on the books at the federal level?

j600rr wrote:

Not trying to get political or off topic, but in regards to certain States in the U.S., and the choice to legalize and tax, or not, aren't the drug laws still a federal government issue? I mean couldn't agents at the federal level still go into any State that has legalized, and still bust an individual, or business聽 for breaking the drug laws on the books at the federal level?

yes, just like the feds sometimes bust folks in Cali even though they are complying with the state regulations. The feds will still occationally feel the need to show that they aren't impotent.

GringoBueno wrote:

Uruguay's marijuana laws do not permit underage use, NOR participation by non-citizens in order to "nip pot tourism in the bud"

AND YOU THINK THAT WILL STOP TOURISTS FROM LIGHTING UP?聽 Once there are people walking around with legal weed, then the sky's the limit.聽 This is why most doubt it will ever happen in Ecuador.

GringoBueno wrote:

BTW, things have changed at the federal level as well [tho' no new laws at this point] ...

For those who really want to know what's going on, info is all over the internet.聽 You might want to start with NORML's website as that is their "bailiwick" ... and is focused on legal issues rather than commercial interests.

For those who just want to "troll and pontificate", knowledge isn't really required, just hot air ...

聽 聽Carlos聽 aka "ElGringoSpliffo"聽 聽

PS聽 Sue, while they might have "committee(s)" already established to research related issues, no "boards" would be established until the legislation passes (whether by initiative petition or legislative referenda" ...

PPS聽 In the meantime, I think I'll go "burn one" and reflect upon all you poor folks down there in SA "worrying" about those Marijuana Murderers and Misfits, etc. about to wash over Uruguay and spill over into Ecuador {perish the thought, Martha]聽 聽 聽 heh-heh-heh!聽 聽

FYI that's why it didn't pass last election. Legislation not going to happen till they have all their ducks in a row on how they are going to regulate it. Maybe they'll have it together to put it on ballot for next election. Not my opinion I live in the Capitol, I read the paper. Frankly I don't care one way or another. What has this got to do with Uruguay or Ecuador anyway?
Maybe you've burned a few too many.

there are two things that we don't really like discussing about on 大咖福利影院 : religion and politics.

We are not qualified for discussing about politics here, and we clearly don't want to become qualified for these two personal matters.

So please, no more politically-oriented threads on the forum (we won't hesitate to close threads)

Thanks in advance for your comprehension,

Julien

j600rr wrote:

My question is where is the line drawn? While I know not everyone on this forum is American, many are. The politics of the U.S. will have an effect, either directly, or indirectly for many people on this forum. It's almost impossible to discuss any topic in detail with out having politics come into the equation one way or the other. If we are qualified or not to understand them really doesn't change the fact that they still affect us, and we have to decide exactly what or how we want to proceed with current regulations, and new regulations that will be implemented in the near future.

It is sometimes a fine line to weigh what is going on in the USA and how does that influence expats and potential expats.聽 It is probably a stretch to include comparing how different states are handling pot laws unless some changes have been discussed or presented in Ecuador.聽 I mentioned Uruguay because of the physical proximity, the potential domino effect for all of Latin America.聽 Since most USA citizens maintain their citizenship and therefore their world wide income tax obligation, then changes in tax laws that affect residents of Ecuador would be relevant, but not Obamacare, since anyone living overseas, whether covered or not locally, is not required to pay any non-coverage penalties. I do believe most contributors to this form have strove to keep info relevant to expats and Ecuador.

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