The other side of the Chinese postcard
As a tourist in a foreign country, very often, we are enchanted with what we discover.
Living abroad is different. It's a rich experience but there are also some difficulties to face.
When people ask me for advice on living abroad, I then tend to say that one should also look at both sides of the postcard.
As an expat in China, how would you describe the two sides of your Chinese postcard?
Thank you for sharing your experience,
Julien
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I suppose that's good for the economy, but not so great for the people who can't afford to keep up with the Chiangs.? In China, as in many capitalist countries, people are judged by the things they own.? If your phone is more than 2 years old, you're clearly a bad person.
Chinese people are known as friendly and welcoming.? Many of them are.? China is also full of people who will do everything they can to rob you at the drop of a hat.? Physical safety isn't much of an issue.? Chinese people aren't very violent - unless they're drunk.? Getting robbed at gunpoint is rare.? Instead, the thieves prey on the unknown and scam the hell out of tourists, expats, locals and anyone else who doesn't look past the friendly smile and constant lies.? When a Chinese person says "trust me", he's probably trying to rob you.? The culture considers it perfectly acceptable to lie as long as you make a profit from it.
Chinese food is great.? The irony is that the best Chinese food isn't anything like what most of the world thinks is Chinese food.? Authentic Chinese food is on the other side of the postcard.? Most tourists - and even a lot of expats - will never taste real Chinese food.
The insane crowds of people all going to the same place at the same time are on both sides of the postcard.? They're all over the place.? When you have a country the size of the United States with an extra billion people, it gets a little crowded.
Apart from that, Chinese are often kind and considerate, on the one hand, but of getting on a bus, train, or aircraft, you better be prepared to push, shove and elbow, or you'll be left standing.? Patience, and the ability to queue, is not generally a Chinese characteristic.
Something not mentioned yet, the biggest issue I've had is the treatment of animals. I recently spoke with a Cantonese local, I asked him about the dogs I often saw in cages and he said yes they are to be eaten. But don't worry we only eat the big ones not puppies! If you think he might have been pulling my leg think again, we ended up having a debate about it and his reasoning was "this is Chinese culture, it is not the same as South African culture, animals are food." I get that, I get the argument that what makes a eating a dog different to eating a lamb skewer (he posed this question to me since I was munching one) but even so, even if I was convinced this was a justification (which I still think it is not, dogs and cats have been human companions since forever for a reason) the way animals are treated before hand is bad. I've seen ducks tied with their legs behind their backs carried in packets, I've seen cats tied to poles, I've seen dogs in little cages panting away in the heat and turtles flipped on their backs so they can't escape. It even bothered me seeing live crabs being completely trussed up so all they can move is their eyes. I think it's cruel. I actually went through a phase where I didn't want to go anywhere in case I saw more things like that. In the end I know I am the foreigner here and I chose to come here and must learn to deal with these sort of things, but it is hard, especially if you are an animal lover.? I know China is always involved in animal cruelty issues with things like fur, but seeing it first hand is hard. On an interesting notes, the stray dogs are extremely street smart. We once saw a dog cross at the zebra crossings only and look for traffic like a person. If you know China, you know that traffic here is INSANE. So it's pretty amazing how the dogs have adapted.
Another thing that goes along with manners is the spitting! What a joy to go to Hong Kong and not hear people hacking up a loogie or dodging globs of mucus on the streets! Here in Dongguan, the bus drivers have their windows open and will 9 times out of 10 launch a spit bomb out of it on the trip. It's been 6 months and I still can't not feel queasy. Also, on the note of bus drivers, I think they might be mostly psychopaths! Either that or they are on permanent training for the Dakar Rally. And it seem the fuller the bus is, the more people there are standing and clinging to every surface available for support, the more crazy these guys will drive! Never mind trying to get on or off a bus that starts moving when you are barely halfway on or off! . I've become mostly used to the pushing and people jumping queues, other expats and I have come to the conclusion that in a place so populated and so commercially driven there is only the fight for yourself that exists. I'm not justifying it, I've just learnt to push back?

Anyways I totally agree with you on all that you wrote. Best of luck here

I've felt like that often. It's part of the culture shock I think. The problem I've found for foreigners is a lack of support. I came to this school because the guy who employed me was American so I mistakenly thought I'd have better support as a foreigner adjusting to Asian life. I'm sure you can guess that that was not the case! My colleague and I are constantly reminded how much more we earn than the local teachers (as though we controlled that). That fault is with the system in that regard. Because of our salaries being public knowledge we are really treated differently. We pretty much feel excluded from everything. I can live with that, I left my home country and my friends, my family and my boyfriend so I could earn this salary and I won't feel bad for it I suffer enough. But then on top of that everything is so new and confusing and nobody is willing to explain or help or understand what you are going through. I don't really understand that, I know in SA any person would be willing to help a foreigner out. So having to ask for help here feels like pulling teeth! This past holiday was the BEST. A week into the month break pretty much all the Chinese teachers had gone home and the power cable to our school was apparently stolen. We had 2 days without electricity. Then they connect the generator but our apartments are not connected to it. After we all complained we were connected but then had constant power failures throughout the holiday. On top of that, the water heater had not been working properly since a month prior to the holiday. We had to take daily cold showers in temperatures that often didn't get above 10 degrees and dropped to around 4 at night. Most of us felt ready to give then, one guy actually quit. Of course there was barely anyone to contact about it and we got the general impression that nobody really cared since it was just us foreigners here. So that sucked.
Having support, somebody to show you around, explain things to you, can make such a huge difference. I read somewhere that over half the foreigners who come here give up before their contracts are up. I won't say it is all bad, some people do try to be nice (except one of the cafeteria ladies, she hates us. We do not know why haha. She slaps our food on our trays and splatters us while glaring murderously at us) but it really does take a lot of getting used to. People should be more aware of that. Obviously employers do not tell you any of this. As for guys finding it easier here, I haven't met all that many foreign guys, but my impression so far is the attention they get from locals is what makes them so content to accept other things. I am generalizing, as I said I haven't met many foreigners yet. But it seems a bit of exploitation of the opposite sex occurs in many cases. I don't like it and it makes me feel embarrassed to be a foreigner sometimes.
so bad here. I really do hope China begins to grow in many aspects, besides just economy wise. My family is from Mexico and I was born in California. The people in Mexico are willing to go out of their way any day any time to help out a foreigner that's why many people travel to Mexico. Yet here I always feel unwelcome -_- no one is really happy here. People are just stable and that's the best thing in the world for them. They lack ambition. I have met one Chinese friend who actually has ambition. She says that once she gets enough money to travel outside of China, she will most likely stay out forever. She knows her people. After meeting me I gave her hope to pursue her dreams. At least I made a positive impact with one person. Of course I can't forget the students I've taught to. I love them dearly? most of them haha I guess you might be able to relate to that. Yet, some of them are extremely spoiled and ill-mannered. I can't even get any respect and I know that where we come from, being a teacher is a respected job although people talk shit, but either way if you don't listen you can leave the classroom. But since I teach at a training center all they care about is recruiting more and more students and not teaching them?. so my classes are packed and students don't learn anything in some of the classes because everyone goes crazy and we aren't really allowed to control them. Go figure! I have been here eight months and I am so happy to be leaving. It is a wonderful salary, and so sad that I had to leave my country to get an opportunity like this. But if I am not happy, I will not remain here. Perhaps I can try another country for teaching? but I'll definitely do my research better. Also, trust me, you are not generalizing at all girl! I totally have the same life as you almost here in China lol.
I get what you mean about people from your home country being friendlier, South African's are like that. For all their faults they are much friendlier people. I struggled with that so much my first two months here. Well well done for sticking it out for 8 months, I still have four on my contract! If Thailand paid better I'd definitely go there, I've heard so much good stuff about Thai people. But maybe with more time, when the stress of all the newness and difficulties is over things here will look peachy again. Can only hope? 

Not everything in life is simple and there will be obstacles, we just have to learn to get past them 
melis82 wrote:What a joy to go to Hong Kong and not hear people hacking up a loogie or dodging globs of mucus on the streets!
I see, hear and smell this in Hong Kong every day.? It's the same culture with only a very slight British influence that's fading away all the time.
As bad as the spitting is, it still beats the public urination.
hahahaaI see foreigners in Hong Kong every day, but I still get stared at.? That's just the way it is when you're not Chinese.? We're strange to them no matter how many of us there are.? Little children still point at me and scream "外國人" or "鬼佬" even though I'm far from the only one around.? Their parents never teach them any better.
The most obvious difference between the Mainland and Hong Kong is driving.? Chinese drivers in Hong Kong are horrible, but there are consequences sometimes.? It seems to be a free for all in the rest of China.
Qiang, I do agree with you in some respect. If you think of how far China has come it really is impressive. South Africa is the same, there is a lot of change happening that is hampered by all the problems that come with the shifting of power and the inevitable corruption and inequality. I think it's just much harder for foreigners to tolerate when we don't understand Chinese culture and there are just so few people who are willing to help you (without hoping to gain something anyway) I think a lot of ways us foreigners are just treated like a business commodity and not as people. I am mainly speaking for foreign teachers here. I'm not sure if it's the same in other industries. I am a teacher back home and I came here to teach because it is what I actually enjoy doing but I feel like I mean nothing as a teacher sometimes. Perhaps if the employer's attitudes changed toward foreign employees there would be a lot more happier foreigners. We often don't have things explained to us and are left to fend for ourselves. I don't think living in any new country is easy but China seems to be especially hard. But many of us are here and still trying?

It might seem like we're bashing China, but we're just telling people about the other side of the postcard.? If we said it was all sunshine & lollipops, that would be a major disservice to anyone thinking about hopping on a slow boat.
What people outside of China hear about it usually isn't very accurate.? This site lets those of us who know the reality on the ground tell the truth to prospective expats.
melis82 wrote:I live in rural Dongguan, it's construction everywhere and there is river of sewerage that flows though the town (nice and ripe in a humid climate!) it's probably all the worst things in mainland China that is present here!
One area where Hong Kong is head & shoulders above the Mainland is the lack of open sewer rivers.? The funky smells of Hong Kong always seem like roses after I come back from the Mainland.
But really, I felt humiliated. Now it's daily life!melis82 wrote:I actually enjoy it now when new people go there for the first time, that look of horror and amazement...
That's as bad as how much I'm amused by taking people up to Victoria Peak and watching them look around for the famous postcard view that you're never going to see on a typically smoggy day.
markhoward wrote:Haven't found any open sewers in Xiamen though?..at least, not yet...
Now that you mention it, I don't remember seeing any in Xiamen - but I wasn't there for very long.
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