Driving a private 7.5t to BG
We've got our house, moving forward with our D visas and now planning the move.
Because I'm old enough to have one of those old driving licence things that let me drive on a C1 category, I'm looking for advice on the best route across the waters with said box lorry.
All advice gratefully received.聽 I'm sure there are things I haven't even thought of !
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johndaley352 wrote:You do realise that you need a C P C for the tachograph because without this you can not drive a 7.5ton truck
He Said he has C1 for 3.5t not C.
So no tacho needed or other special requirements for vehicles up to 3.5t through Europe
I run my own Haulage company in UK
So heres the rules.
NO CPC OR TACHO REQUIRED. As you are moving your own personal belongings
Tips
Aim for covering max 4/500 miles in a day as it will tire you out chugging along at 56mph. Have a rest every 4:30hrs for an hour or so. Don鈥檛 rush to get there. I would just drive through day light hours as you won鈥檛 know the route and need to keep your wits about you.
If you have people in the cab with you that fall asleep before you get out your driveway send them on a plane. You will need your Co Driver to keep an eye on you also to make sure you鈥檙e OK and fit to drive. Make sure you get at least 8 hours sleep/rest. No alcohol
plan your drive with stops and aim for 3 or even 4 days to get there.聽 Remember don鈥檛 drive tired as 7.5 tonne will kill the people in the car in front.
Takes a lot longer to stop as it weight 4/5 times more than your car. Keep checking your mirrors especially kerb side. You are sat on top of the wheels so don鈥檛 turn until you are at the corner not the front on the cab. If in doubt get your co Driver out to guide you through tight spots. Stick to main Motorways and highways. If your roads are dirt tracks there is a goof chance you will sink in it. Just because its rock hard for a car and you can jump up and down on it doesn't mean a 7.5 tones wont sink. If in doubt dig a screwdriver into the soil and see how deep the solid dirt is. Don't drive in verges with grass as theres a good chance you will sink.
Check your vehicle for any leaks and keep it topped up with the required fluids. Find out the oil it needs and go any buy 10 litres from Halfords as some older lorries drink it faster than diesel
Above all enjoy the experience and if your co driver is your 鈥渙ther half鈥 get them out to help especially if its raining. It will cheer you up at least. Remember they are your co driver so they keep you fed and watered for the trip.
So basically take your time and enjoy it as if you 鈥減ile in and crash鈥 the local authorities will do everything to blame you. I personally would keep a log of miles covered and rest times etc just in case
Thank you so much for that. Brilliant advice. Yes, my other half鈥檚 idea of co driving is that it鈥檚 a mini cruise and wakes up with 鈥淎re we there yet?鈥
Looking at routes, I was hoping to go Newcastle ferry and across. Any experience or preferred routes you could recommend?
Thank you sir.
Get a decent up to date Sat Nav that covers the area. Google maps is OK but if reception is 鈥渋ffy鈥. Get the map book out. Take plenty of water.聽 Not just for you but the truck also. Toiletries and a cool Box is essential. Immodium is a must just in case lol. Get a little camping stove and a frying pan as a bacon sandwich half way up a mountain is a memory.聽 聽
Above all enjoy it.聽 聽
What are you doing with the truck? or is it a rental?聽 Have a word with Enterprise if you are renting as they used to do one way rental.
Oh and a big stick to prod the co driver every time they decide to read the story on the back of their eyelids.
And great advice for anyone driving to Bg from Steve. Thank you!
I crossed into Romania as it was getting dark so imagine my confusion as the motorways disappeared and became single carriageway through towns and villages, through mountains and alongside the river.
The route was full of HGVs, don鈥檛 ask me how they managed the mountains because the one in front of me pulled over at what I soon came to realise was the trickiest section, to let us all pass.
I don鈥檛 know if there鈥檚 a better way in a large vehicle, but I was wary of straying out of Europe as that鈥檚 what my insurance and breakdown covered me for. I did read that the roads were faster through Serbia, but not a good option with pets and lots of belongings. I might try that way on an empty run back, just for comparison.
Definitely looking at the flattest route. The biggest issue I鈥檝e found is which ferry ports cater best for a 7.5t . I鈥檓 in mid wales, so every direction to a port is equidistant!
The hands on advice from all the replies has been phenomenal, thank you each and everyone.
Look at Harwich Hook of Holland. I personally would just head to Bucharest and chuck a right to Bg.
Serbia has lots of high places. Nice scenery but maybe a bit 鈥淪queaky bum time鈥 for a Novice driver. They also don鈥檛 drive like they do here lol. Keep your eyes open and the co-driver is another set of eye as trust me some of the things you will see will amaze you.
Just let everyone know how you get on. Tell the co-driver to keep a journal and take photos as its all part of the new life.
Oh and remember they drive on the wrong side of the road lol. However, after a few days you鈥檒l get used to it. Watch out for day 3 or 4 though as I tend to find you鈥檙e used to driving on the other side by then and don鈥檛 worry anymore. Then the next day because you鈥檙e not thinking drive on the right. You just jump in and set off on the left. i鈥檝e done it loads of times. Think think think and look left right left right left right at junctions. Co-Driver clear left etc etc. Co-Driver Watch out for push bikes sneaking up your inside. Co-Driver is it clear to overtake as you can鈥檛 see if its a Right hand drive. So Co-Driver this, Co-Driver that. Keep them occupied. Plus its a different world sat up high and you'll see things so far ahead. Just remember braking distance and don鈥檛 ry and nip into that gap as they鈥檙e not the fastest of vehicles. If someone nips in front of you drop back so you can stop in time.
Maybe hire one for the day and go and drive around the Rhonda Valley in one. Give you some insight into what you'll experience as its a long way when you think 鈥渟od this鈥 after 5 miles.
The Serbia route is loads better than Romania. It's direct, it's mostly motorway... and then the Bulgaria section to Sofia is good (well, it is when they're not doing the huge roadworks) too. But... the big downside is it's non-EU, which generally isn't an issue for your insurance, but does mean border queues and customs checks.
I think, officially, second-hand personal effects / house contents are not a problem, But I think many prefer to avoid it just because of the potential for trouble.
You can't avoid this, as you want to get your stuff moved. But @Steve310 makes an excellent point: it's a right old plod getting a van across 1,700 miles! You may not think you're a fast driver, but lots of us will happily cruise 80-90 mph (and significantly higher on German autobahns) in a car on European motorways. So to swap that for a big ol' van loaded down with stuff, it's surprisingly different. :-)
Gwynj, we currently live in a 9 bedroomed old vicarage and I've a load of tools in the garage including 2 workbenches, table saw, compound saw, gardening power tools and a large tool chest....plus my big gas barbie and a pizza oven.
I was tempted to just use a Luton and do 2 trips but space them apart and use a storage locker. It'd make it easier for eurotunnel and a damn sight cheaper. But then, just 1 trip is a nice neat all in 1 package too.
It's all an adventure and even at this point, I'm meeting others and getting wiser....what more can I ask for !!?
So if anyone finds a company doing that please let me know?
I kept around 70mph or thereabouts so no flying along the autobahns for me. It took me three days from leaving home in Wales to arriving at my house near Harmanli. I was on my own so I stopped for 40 winks in the afternoons - it was still very warm and tiring -聽 and then for a proper sleep around 11pm-midnight.
I鈥檇 imagine it wouldn鈥檛 take me that much longer in a Luton so it would be beneficial to be able to carry more.
johndaley352 wrote:You do realise that you need a C P C for the tachograph because without this you can not drive a 7.5ton truck
No; Driver CPC is not required when driving a 7.5t class of vehicle for private use.聽 Also, Driver CPC has no link to the vehicle tachograph, it's a Driver card that is required for that (you get them from DVLA); that said, if you're driving a 7.5t for personal use, even though the vehicle may have a tachograph fitted, there is no requirement to use it.聽 In general, the requirement to do these things are directly related to usage, if it's for private use (like moving your household goods), then the rules mentioned don't apply.
Hope this helps.
Cynic
Expat Team
So, after trawling for days looking for a company that could hire for European usage AND the times we wanted it for, we decided to get a company in to do the job as we were having no luck at all.
Thank you everyone for some brilliant insights. Nettie605 - what an amazing journey you had, I鈥檇 of loved to emulate that!!
just to let you know and Steve 310, I have a VWLT46 and the ASFINAG in Austria gave me a fine of 3800euro for the wrong Vinette and demanded I get a blue box installed as the Gross Weight is 4800kg and the charge is 20 cents per km in Austria (Bastards) when i arrived home i down plated the van to a 3.5 to avoid that shit, but the EU have plans to charge all UK vehicle in the future, also be aware Hungary will not let you drive on sundays in a 7.5.....
Its not easy now
And Serbian customs can be ... at best difficult.
Last time I came through, they were having a work-to-rule of some such thing, so there was a massive queue, and it took over 3 hours to get to the front of the line.
I had my car, and a couple of boxes of stuff I'd collected聽 at my parents' house. The car was fine, the suitcase was fine, and the boxes of bits were fine. But I'd bought a couple of cheap netbooks on Amazon (like 150 euros apiece or so), and hadn't even thought to unpack them.
Serbian customs made a huge song and dance about them, even when I showed them the Amazon invoice to confirm they were near-worthless. And flashed my Bulgarian residence to show they would be passing through Serbia in a couple of hours. They wouldn't let me pay to import them as I didn't have the correct paperwork for importation. So they insisted I had to pay for one of their guys to accompany the goods (and me/car) through Serbia and verify they left the country. But they wanted 500 euros for this "service".
After the long wait, it was pretty painful to turn round, leave Serbia, and drive back to the Romania turn-off, and then go the long/slow way round.
To add insult to injury, this put me way late, driving through Romania in the dark... and my satnav chose a "short cut" just before Vidin... which got me lost in the middle of nowhere... before taking me across some rickety old bridge over the Danube. Which turned out to be Serbia (Negotin) again! Of course, these border guys didn't care what I had in the car, so they let me into Serbia anyway (it's only 10km to Bulgaria at this point).
聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 You have me thinking, laughing a little too (I鈥檓 sorry) I鈥檝e had an idea . What about Dover-Calais- through to Italy and down the east coast to the ferry at Brindis over to Greece (拢167) then up to Bulgaria? I once thought I was a member of this planet.
Steven Wilkinson wrote:Hi Gwyn
聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 聽 You have me thinking, laughing a little too (I鈥檓 sorry) I鈥檝e had an idea . What about Dover-Calais- through to Italy and down the east coast to the ferry at Brindis over to Greece (拢167) then up to Bulgaria? I once thought I was a member of this planet.
Steven my aunt and uncle do something similar, they get a ferry at the top of Italy, I want to say Ancona?? To Thessaloniki then drive up through Greece into BG, their place is on the east coast. They like to take their time over the journey too.
Then my friends at work were bored one day when I was planning the trip and France was Amber plus and to be avoided. So they had me going a ferry to Spain, Bilbao say, drive to the other coast, Barcelona, and ferry hopping through the med 馃槀 again slow and pricey but definitely scenic!
Not so many courier companies in the 70's, so the only solution was to drive the damn thing from Denmark, through Germany, into France (it was a military vehicle and wouldn't be allowed through Austria or Switzerland), across to Mt Blanc, then across Italy.聽 Anyone who has ever owned a Series 2 petrol Landrover will know that fuel economy was not one of its strong points, so we called into Bremerhaven and borrowed a load of jerrycans from the US Forces.聽
A day (or fortnight) in the life of a soldier before the EU.
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