Health insurance - pre-existing conditions
My husband and I just had our visas approved and will be moving to Spain on Sept. 17. We currently have travel insurance to satisfy our visa requirements, but we would like to find more comprehensive coverage. Can anyone recommend insurance companies that will cover someone with pre-existing conditions? We've already applied to Sanitas and Caser and were turned down by both. Also, if we cannot find coverage, does anyone know how much it costs for doctor visits and prescriptions if you don't have health insurance?
Thanks!
Shawn
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No company will take you on if they know they'll have to pay out immediately, that or the premiums will kill you.
Michele
Mczwz wrote:Wouldn't not mentioning potential pre-existing conditions be considered having provided incomplete information (misrepresentation, at best or lying by omission at worst) invalidate the contract if the issues were to come to light after?
Michele
It would be a fraud, so can't be done.
I'm not suggesting that, I'm suggesting excluding them from the policy.
Many companies will accept medical insurance policies to cover everything else, but exclude preexisting or related conditions from that cover.
Try a few.
I have had no difficulty, thank the Good Lord I have never been denied coverage on a job, only reduced coverage for the first 1-2 years (depending on the policy) for issues directly related to those pre-existing conditions.
Expensive, hard to cover, but there may be other options, I believe.
Michele
My partner has had to take out private health insurance and as a policeman was injured in the miners strike. There would be no way an insurance co would cover him for anything to do with his injuries. In spain grand parents usually pay health and dental care for their grandchildren.
Once this brexit comes into action what will happen to expats? Rahoy isn't bothered about expats but don't think we are talking to a uk resident. Maybe an American if you have had to get a visa.
To me these are troubling times both in spain the USA and uk.
Thank you,
Mike
Thanks,
Mike
When we came here permanently he went down to the valencian health offices and there was a curt no he couldn't get a sip this is although we know one or two couples not married who had managed to one. So we lay the 25O € a month.
Travel insurance is not sufficient for either application.
Residencia conditions can be complex.
EU citizens need to prove they have work or the offer of work, if not, then income of at least 366.90 pm for a single person or 623.73 pm for a couple.
EU and non EU citizens must also have 100% medical cover so no limitations. That might be private cover or for UK citizens cover provided by DWP with a SIP form. In that case the DWP pays around £3,000 pa for each person so covered. (Thus not free the UK tax payer pays)
Just in passing: ( if Brexit means DWP will no longer cover UK citizens) those who were legally living in Spain on 24th April 2007, who have no other medical cover and less than 100,000 euros pa income are entitled to automatic free medical cover by the Spanish health system, That is not reliant on one’s nationality. I have an American friend who that cover,
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The insurance you have is for a holiday visit, as you said  "travel insurance."Â
What I said is that such travel insurance would not apply if you are MOVING to Spain, and in your case, applying for RESIDENCIA status.
Have a great day!
It is a tax ID number only and one does not need any proof of income nor health insurance cover. The only requiremeny is to prove your ID with your passport..
If you had been granted residence status here, as opposed to being allowed to stay for the period permited by your visitors visa, you would have been issued with a Residencia Card. You do not say you have that permit, which as I said is altogether different from an NIE (tax ID number).
My son who lives in UK has just obtained an NIE as he wants to open a bank acount here.
Why do I post as I do ?  Answer: I have been working here in Spain with the National Police for 20 years assisting people making applications for NIE, residencia etc.
Miket2937, I hope you and your spouse are able to find insurance coverage to allow you to move to Spain. It has been a great experience for us so far and we look forward to many more years of living here.
You first said you had NIE, now you say you have residencia.
To obtain residencia one must have full medical cover, not travel insurance.
At the National Police station where I work, I am frequently called to the documentation office to explain in English that full medical cover is required. If you did get Residence status without that cover the person who dealt with you at the documentation office made an error. I would keep quiet about it in case they find out.
No pre-existing conditions. One catch - you need to live in Spain legaly for 12 months before applying.
We were just approved for health insurance through DKV! It was a lengthy application to list all of our pre-existing conditions, but they did approve us. You should look into the company if you haven't already. Good luck.
Shawn
Regards,
Ron
Thanks
Josebig wrote:I was told my insurance had to cover everything the 'seguridad social' covers..
Jose   That is the requirement when one is appplying for resident status.
As Americans, we purchased Patriot Travel Medical Insurance thru the agency my employer uses. It cost $1,500 per year (2 year limit) for both of us with a maximum coverage of $50,000 (the minimum coverage required for visa) and no deductible (also a visa requirement). As I'm sure you've discovered in your research, travel insurance only covers accidents that happen while away from home, so this did not cover us for any routine visits or medications. Hope this helps.
Shawn
Johncar wrote:There is confusion here.
You first said you had NIE, now you say you have residencia.
To obtain residencia one must have full medical cover, not travel insurance.
At the National Police station where I work, I am frequently called to the documentation office to explain in English that full medical cover is required. If you did get Residence status without that cover the person who dealt with you at the documentation office made an error. I would keep quiet about it in case they find out.
I was planning to live in Spain for a year with the possibility of staying until I discovered last week that no pre existing conditions are covered, despite my illnesses being under control with medications. So I appreciate your explanation of the issue. I am going to explore some of the companies mentioned in this thread.
Josebig wrote:I was told my insurance had to cover everything the 'seguridad social' covers. It does not have to cover medications. It must cover doctors, tests and hospitals. I used insurance from United Healthcare in USA and that was sufficient. It covered preexisting as long as was under control for six months prior to the exacerbation. I paid 2800USD.
When you say you used United Healthcare, are you referring to their travel insurance which covers 364 days? If not, can you tell me what is the type of insurance you got from them? Thanks
Josebig wrote:Hi. That is the one I used and was accepted by the consulate I'm Boston. It covers up to 364 days and includes coverage for preexisting conditions that are under control.
Thanks so much for replying so quickly. I'm wondering if you will have to keep this insurance indefinitely if you plan to stay or be a resident of Spain?
Johncar wrote:If you had been granted residence status here, as opposed to being allowed to stay for the period permited by your visitors visa, you would have been issued with a Residencia Card. You do not say you have that permit, which as I said is altogether different from an NIE (tax ID number).
My son who lives in UK has just obtained an NIE as he wants to open a bank acount here.
Why do I post as I do ?  Answer: I have been working here in Spain with the National Police for 20 years assisting people making applications for NIE, residencia etc.
Johncar, I'm wondering if I have insurance for my first year, will I be able to get a residency card if I have pre- existing, manageable conditions, such as high cholesterol and glaucoma, both treated through medication.
If i understand you correctly, I will never be eligible for Spanish national insurance. But most of these private insurances have a cut off date of age 75.
I'm a U.S citizen.
Inge
I am sure you are looking here for someone who may have had the same situation as you, but either way your best bet is to contact various companies directly. United Healthcare is a US company. Try Sanitas, Mapfre, Occidental, DKV etc...
Depending on the consulate you are applying from, they "may" accept high coverage of travel insurance. Some used to, but rules are always changing.
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If you take the policy out within 15 days of your travel deposit (Buying flights, etc) they cover preexisting conditions. They you can ask that they send you a letter that you can get translated into Spanish that says your policy meets the Schengen visa requirements for health insurance.
Our daughter has Type I diabetes and has tried applied with several companies in Spain with no luck getting coverage, So she has to use travel insurance.
From Travelguard website:
A Pre-existing Condition Exclusion Waiver is offered in some travel insurance plans through Travel Guard. In order to obtain the waiver the travel insurance needs to be purchased within 15 days of the traveler's initial trip payment.
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